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[barry6]

hi there,
I am actually playing with a team in the Coca Cola League two and so far your GPP is the best i have played . Just 2 little points :

- I think the energy drop is a little bit too strong ...
- Goalkeepers seem too weak ... espacially in this lower league they seem to be sleeping between the posts ....

but all in all the best GPP so far for FM09

GREAT WORK !!!

[smbtouch]

hi there,
I am actually playing with a team in the Coca Cola League two and so far your GPP is the best i have played . Just 2 little points :

- I think the energy drop is a little bit too strong ...
- Goalkeepers seem too weak ... espacially in this lower league they seem to be sleeping between the posts ....

but all in all the best GPP so far for FM09

GREAT WORK !!!

Hello,

thanks for your thoughts, but bear in mind that this is still not patch, it's just beta and i want to tune it to perfection for actual release, so any input you can provide me is great

So far, i will focus more to lower down frequency of crosses when player is cornered, i will make him pass diagonal sometimes, and i'm also trying to fix those ugly sharp long passes which always go wide, i'm doing some testings with ball rotations and spins, so far it's showing potential. I will check out your tip about energy reduction, and i have also tried to implement balancing mechanics inside archive with attempt to flat out default playing style when change in scoreline takes place. If i manage to do that, both teams would maintain same playing style throughout whole 90 minutes, regardless wheather they are winning or loosing, that would be really fantastic to achieve.

Keep in touch!

[vivacook]

Now that sounds very interesting.

You mean no more 10 players behind the ball until the 3-4 minute period is up and again at 45 and 90 minute?

I will try tonight mate.

Got my own patch at the moment that is allowing me to try and play the game but never happy.

The long hard stupid crosses are new this year, cant imagine for what reason these were designed in.

Defenders still run away just before a goal, but this will never go away.

I also have tried using the variables off the ball flight and although some parts still are ridiculous I think it may be possible.

The worrying part for me is that ALL the different parts of the game ie stadiums, database, pictures, players, any part we can develop or update etc.........has taken a step backwards.

BF/EA...We were happy with 08 for creating and updating and developing. Why mess?

The 3D needs work and most importantly....it needs testing correctly.

Use the patch guys...they would love to help.

Rant over...have a nice day.

[lloyd]

Hi SMB

Im glad that you have patched and put all your efforts into the game. I liked a few changes in your patch but not all so i added some of your changes to my original config.big, i mean the goals were crazy and all. Outfield play killed keepers and defence. I know you been working hard and all. I did make some changes to my original patch with your patch and i change the things i didn't like and put in the things i liked on my original. We all like our own patches so i need some remarks on your side, there are still mistakes but hey i think i did a good job for a beginner. I've always played all the games and always used your patches and if not yours somebody elses when your not patching . I just want to give a helping hand.

Well all i can say is that i like my config with some of your combinations in it. I am having intense matches and one on one battles. Tactics are a screamer since i lost against Sao Paola with Aston Villa. I mean this game was intense with both team rating round about 770-790 and a loss of 3-2. I was playing with Aston Villa but my word i was on the edge of my seat just testing the config.big. This game was intense i dont know if its our config combined and all but i think its great or maybe its just a patches syndrome that we think we doing a good job lol...

The second game i tried was a champions league game with Arsenal (840) vs some randome team (640). I dominated the game 5-0. But its not just about the scoreline. It was about form of my players that also made the score with both sides playing good intense soccer from both sides of the field. I mean the changes are making me sit on the edge of my seat even though they were low lvl side.

I am gonna be honest that there are mistakes, we are all human and to the AI of the play to run smoothly is difficult because as you said hard coding but overall im impressed with our config.big. I cant take credit myself since it is a combination from both of us.

I wanted to know if you can test our config.big and let me know what you think please.

My e-mail address is jonesllj@hotmail.com (JONESLLJ@HOTMAIL.COM) just incase you get confused with the letters ll. I would like to e-mail it to you but only if you confirm it. Don't wanna be rude, would rather wait for your confirmation.

Kindest Regards
downtoearth

[smbtouch]

Hi SMB

Im glad that you have patched and put all your efforts into the game. I liked a few changes in your patch but not all so i added some of your changes to my original config.big, i mean the goals were crazy and all. Outfield play killed keepers and defence. I know you been working hard and all. I did make some changes to my original patch with your patch and i change the things i didn't like and put in the things i liked on my original. We all like our own patches so i need some remarks on your side, there are still mistakes but hey i think i did a good job for a beginner. I've always played all the games and always used your patches and if not yours somebody elses when your not patching . I just want to give a helping hand.

Well all i can say is that i like my config with some of your combinations in it. I am having intense matches and one on one battles. Tactics are a screamer since i lost against Sao Paola with Aston Villa. I mean this game was intense with both team rating round about 770-790 and a loss of 3-2. I was playing with Aston Villa but my word i was on the edge of my seat just testing the config.big. This game was intense i dont know if its our config combined and all but i think its great or maybe its just a patches syndrome that we think we doing a good job lol...

The second game i tried was a champions league game with Arsenal (840) vs some randome team (640). I dominated the game 5-0. But its not just about the scoreline. It was about form of my players that also made the score with both sides playing good intense soccer from both sides of the field. I mean the changes are making me sit on the edge of my seat even though they were low lvl side.

I am gonna be honest that there are mistakes, we are all human and to the AI of the play to run smoothly is difficult because as you said hard coding but overall im impressed with our config.big. I cant take credit myself since it is a combination from both of us.

I wanted to know if you can test our config.big and let me know what you think please.

My e-mail address is jonesllj@hotmail.com (JONESLLJ@HOTMAIL.COM) just incase you get confused with the letters ll. I would like to e-mail it to you but only if you confirm it. Don't wanna be rude, would rather wait for your confirmation.

Kindest Regards
downtoearth

Hello,

i 100% endorse every attempt of modding and making it better, so i think it would be great if you upload your version to speedyshare or rapid share and share it will everyone here, after all this is "workbench" topic

Just post link to your work, and i'll check it out, do write down what you have changed in global..hopefully others will check it out too, and i hope you will give my final version some testing time once when it's done.

However, if you are 100% happy with your current config and feel that it's as good as it gets, make a separate topic just for your own patch and share it with people, we are all here on the same goal, to make this game better, if it's that good, i'll play with it also

Enjoy your games!

Best regards!

[lloyd]

hi all

Its not my final release lol, there are still a few more tweaking sessions. I hope you like beta test. Just download it and copy and paste over your original config.big. PLEASE DONT FORGET TO SAVE YOUR ORIGINAL!!!

My beta is intense and on edge... Please comment. Constructive comments thanks.

I basically changed all the settings from GK,Def,MID,ST as well as ball movement and energy modifiers. Basically everything that i wanted to change.

Regards

Hier klicken!

[lloyd]

http://www.speedyshare.com/125960332.html

[lloyd]

Its uploaded

All i can say is that i played another two games and its was nail biting... Arsenal vs Sunderland... I lost 2v1. Great Goals. Then Valencia against Aston Villa Euro and i won 4v2 after full time. Was lvl down at half time 2v1 and come back with brilliant tactics. .

Sorry about the links, the one isn't posting it.

Cheers

[TheFrenchGone]

http://www.speedyshare.com/125960332.html

Hello

Thanks for the link , but you must create your own "topic" to have specific comments about your GPP and more downloadings !

Best regards

[lloyd]

sorry

will be posting own topic with links

regards

[Spankuishi]

Hi smbtouch! your patch is great... just noticed some "forced"comebacks for the team that is losing the game..other things seams ok! keep on good work!

[smbtouch]

Hi smbtouch! your patch is great... just noticed some "forced"comebacks for the team that is losing the game..other things seams ok! keep on good work!

Thanks, i'm working on that one..i don't have any idea how long will it take, however

[vivacook]

Hi mate,

I need to work on the reason the defender runs away from the ball/attacker when the ballis played down the wing.
He crosses to the now unmarked player and its a certain goal.

Happens every time...always a goal. Spoils the fun totally.

Any idea where to start? Or is it hard coded?

[smbtouch]

Hi mate,

I need to work on the reason the defender runs away from the ball/attacker when the ballis played down the wing.
He crosses to the now unmarked player and its a certain goal.

Happens every time...always a goal. Spoils the fun totally.

Any idea where to start? Or is it hard coded?

Hello,

try with this line in ai.ini :

MIN_APPROACHDIST = set it to higher value to make player go for attacker with the ball from greater distance, he will sooner go for closing and it will make defence look like they are playing with more pressure

[smbtouch]

Hello all,

after very thorough and exhausting testing rounds in comparing the dafault and my custom gameplay, i have realised that my most annoying "bug" in gameplay is hard-coded..it's the situation where player makes pass bakward, and incoming player decides to perform some sort of driven low-cross into area, which looks ugly, sharp, and completely umprecise..it spoils my game, and i repeat - it's hard-coded, you see it when playing with default gameplay after update2..i always considered patch-making as bug-fixing tool first, now that i know that this particular thing that bugs me like hell is not possible to remove without disabling it and hurting the built-up play too much, i have decided to stop with editing gameplay for update2, and hold on to see how it will look after update3.

This is currently written on German blog :

Update 3 on the home straight
Date: 30.01.2009
Author: Gerald Köhler


Hi,

Work on the update 3 are completed. The error list is complete.

Meanwhile, the work on the player pictures ended, more than 900 are in the end it has become.

Now we are still waiting on the final transfer list, then a final test and get it.

Many greetings

Gerald

So, i'll wait for that one, and if same problems continue to exist, i'll revert to update1 and gameplay for it, becouse that one was the best for my taste. As far as i know, there will be no changes in 3D in this update, but you never know.. So far i had most luck with fixing it by using high cross assistance values in ai.ini, i'll try some more experiments with it..

Best regards!

Der Beitrag wurde von smbtouch bearbeitet: 02.02.2009 - 0:37

[DanielFaraday]

OK, it makes sense: I'm looking forward to your next patch for update 3!

In the meanwhile I'll keep experimenting: thanks for all your precious advices!
Looks like I finally start to see some actual player fatigue, having edited the career.ini. Do you usually work on carrer.ini in your patches too, or it's ok for you?

Later!

[smbtouch]

OK, it makes sense: I'm looking forward to your next patch for update 3!

In the meanwhile I'll keep experimenting: thanks for all your precious advices!
Looks like I finally start to see some actual player fatigue, having edited the career.ini. Do you usually work on carrer.ini in your patches too, or it's ok for you?

Later!

I did some modifications before, but this time i'm trying to keep it clean..i'll give all focus on built-up play for this version, maybe then i'll edit other parameters when i'll have more experience what should be changed in career..so far everyone looks pretty much pleased with none-3D related stuff

[vivacook]

Hi SMB,

Was the stupid fast cross not visible in update 1?

What I mean is, did it only happen after update 2?

I aso cannot carry on with this present. It was like the free kick in 08.

Why they have done it beggars belief.

I dont think there will be any changes in update 3.

[smbtouch]

Hi SMB,

Was the stupid fast cross not visible in update 1?

What I mean is, did it only happen after update 2?

I aso cannot carry on with this present. It was like the free kick in 08.

Why they have done it beggars belief.

I dont think there will be any changes in update 3.

I have managed to reduce wide ones, and increased precision, now they happen only few times per match, and in lower leagues where players have low cross skill, so i think there will be no need to revert back after all.

As for your question, i don't remember them happen in update1 and default gameplay. But i would also hate to play buggy game, and really hope to be satisfied with update3..it is also true that there is no announcements about any tweak regarding 3D matches..i'll give myself some more time, about one week after update3 to complete v3 and decide how will i play it, or will i play it at all

Keep in touch!

[mcleod1]

parameter file - textmode match
multiplikator pressing built up play 3
probability for controlled built up play per minute 40

i play with ossinho 2.0
bevor good now i have a controlled game... crazy good

also multiplikator for ind. order 4
multiplikator for teamorder 5


and in the config ... player_pace_penalty = 0.25

so easy .. but a new game....