Druckversion des Themas

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 02.11.2008 - 17:47

Hello all,

i have decided to keep it all this year in the same topic, as some sort of development blog, so this is the place where you can find all related to my patches - all releases with links, usage of patches, your wishes, thoughts, and tips on how to alter the setting to your own preferences.

I will try to hit my ultimate version sooner this year, possibly withing three major releases, and to do that, i need your eyes and words

So please, don't ever hesitate to post your comments, feedbacks, and thoughs on any version of my patches released here.

Looking forward to hear from you!

Enjoy your games!

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 02.11.2008 - 17:53

Ok, my first post goes to leaked demo vs. full game notices..

As i can see, there is no difference whatsoever between those two, and as i did put up high effort on the demo gameplay, now i have prepared base for actual patch, which i'm currently testing in full game.

I believe the first patch could be released for next weekend, but it all depends on the outcome of testings. As for now, i can confirm that overall experience should be very close to my last releases for previous game.

Will keep you informed, in the meantime, please feel free to post your wishes on how this game should look, to know which course to take in development.

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: arsenal_rockz 02.11.2008 - 18:18

Ola. With you on the workbench and other 3D 'modders' joining in soon, it won't take very long to unscramble the 3D

Good luck.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 03.11.2008 - 10:13

Hello all,

development is doing very well imho, here is some info what to expect..

List of updates due to original gameplay :

- players use their default skill values, instead of falling into tiers
- greater difference in speed between regular player, and those with great pace
- ground-passing style built-up play
- more long shot attempts
- more goals from long shots, keeper reactions are tweaked along
- more dribble attempts from skilled players
- direct approach to goal from strikers, they will be hungry for goals, and bit selfish as they should be
- passing picking remade, skilled players will do forward passes more, less skilled will play safer ones
- less bumping into defenders, player will either challenge them with dribble, run through, or turn around and pass back for one-two
- clearances will be turned on always when there is danger, no risky possesion play in front of your own goal
- less energy reduction
- less form impact on performance (better impact of tactics)
- less fatigue impact (better impact of tactics)
- no sudden drops or rises for teams during games, more consistency in players

I have just completed new ball movement, and now it's all down to testing overall "touch" of the game, and score lines, that's why i have to test it to longer period. I still feel this first patch will be ready for release for next weekend, and then i'll wait for official update ( which will have changes in 3D ) to make new version.

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: TheFrenchGone 03.11.2008 - 12:09

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 03.11.2008 - 10:13)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 03.11.2008 - 12:35

QUOTE (TheFrenchGone @ 03.11.2008 - 12:09)

Hello ,

Go to be used this line now or not : PLAYER_ATTR_CPU_EFFECT_ON = 0 ?

Geschrieben von: TheFrenchGone 03.11.2008 - 12:45

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 03.11.2008 - 12:35)

Patcher's preference, friend..you know my thoughts on the subject, let's just leave the beast in the cave for a while

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 03.11.2008 - 12:57

QUOTE (TheFrenchGone @ 03.11.2008 - 12:45)

"no problemo" I'll wait patiently for the release of your patch !! From my part I prefer "0"! May be just a question of personal touch !!

Geschrieben von: kons45 03.11.2008 - 13:07

Haha we know how that went when u decided to stop patching in 08 =). Loved your patches though and 09 definetly needs a 3D patch and a further camera.

Am tempted to ask u to send me a beta but am afraid I'd like it too much and when update 1 comes out it'll be worse than ur patch. Ah Im still gonna download it when its out anyways!

Ok don't wanna rush u coz I appreciate all the modders on this forum...but hurry it up and lets try get it out before Friday (Now I sound like EA talking to BF).

Lol..thanks SMB!

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 03.11.2008 - 13:39

QUOTE (kons45 @ 03.11.2008 - 13:07)

Geschrieben von: Bimmie 03.11.2008 - 16:11

You are a hero

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 03.11.2008 - 16:43

Whoever has that strong desire to play beta, PM me and you will receive link for download in a while, but i do advise you to hold on until friday and play the actual release. I want to fix some bugs before giving it to people, something BF should have done also

Geschrieben von: kosecki99 03.11.2008 - 20:22

Can you send me beta path??

thank you

My email is: iperema@hotmail.com

PD: Can you make something about substitutions cpu????

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 03.11.2008 - 23:21

QUOTE (kosecki99 @ 03.11.2008 - 20:22)

Geschrieben von: low 03.11.2008 - 23:39

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 03.11.2008 - 16:21)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 03.11.2008 - 23:49

QUOTE (low @ 03.11.2008 - 23:39)

Geschrieben von: kons45 04.11.2008 - 5:34

Hi SMB I will request you send me the most updated Beta on thursday as I am on leave from work on Friday and would be able to test it out then.

Really can't stand the ball being passed to no one and the way the players cant control the ball.

BTW I'm playing Regional South Conference so I'll be able to test it in the lower leagues and give you feedback. I do expect the players to be slow and make bad decisions but right now the game is just frustrating to watch..I played 08 with really weak teams and loved watching even when tho my players were of low leves.

Thanks SMB I'll PM you my e-mail on Thursday =)

Hope its not too much trouble

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 04.11.2008 - 7:34

QUOTE (kons45 @ 04.11.2008 - 5:34)

Geschrieben von: bensix 04.11.2008 - 15:11

last year I used your v7 patch.

For this year I played almost a season.

- The goalies are screaming for tuning (I Can see in news centre,when they ask me )
- too much back passing
- bad passing
- headers and crossing are almost fine,I think
- Touch ( When receiving the ball,the ball jumps of the foot and not with AI)
Long shots needs a little fine tuning

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 04.11.2008 - 15:21

QUOTE (bensix @ 04.11.2008 - 15:11)

last year I used your v7 patch.

For this year I played almost a season.

- The goalies are screaming for tuning (I Can see in news centre,when they ask me )
- too much back passing
- bad passing
- headers and crossing are almost fine,I think
- Touch ( When receiving the ball,the ball jumps of the foot and not with AI)
Long shots needs a little fine tuning

Geschrieben von: bensix 04.11.2008 - 15:49

ZITAT(smbtouch @ 04.11.2008 - 15:21)

Wanna take a challenge on beta-testing for my first one?

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 04.11.2008 - 16:13

QUOTE (bensix @ 04.11.2008 - 15:49)

Geschrieben von: bensix 04.11.2008 - 16:18

ok, I 'll try to give you some feedback......

Geschrieben von: rocco200 04.11.2008 - 16:45

Hi
Can you send me patch for fm 09?
i know you are testing but can I test as well?

me email : kosowo2001@yahoo.co.uk

I like you patch V8.2 for fm 08 and I aspect good one from you for fm 09

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 04.11.2008 - 16:50

QUOTE (rocco200 @ 04.11.2008 - 16:45)

Geschrieben von: kons45 04.11.2008 - 17:22

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 04.11.2008 - 23:50)

Geschrieben von: bensix 04.11.2008 - 18:09

ZITAT(kons45 @ 04.11.2008 - 17:22)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 04.11.2008 - 18:16

You will all get the download links on your personal messages now Keep it low profile guys, and let's make this game as it should be right from the start

EDIT : i have send it to you all, if anyone didn't get it, please let me know..

Enjoy your games!

p.s. I want your verdicts by tomorrow afternoon at least, to know how to tweak this thing further..thanks guys!

Geschrieben von: Prismv 04.11.2008 - 18:54

Hi m8

Would love to try out your patch, I'm currently playing the game myself with the joypad.

Game certainly needs refining.

I know last year you had a fix so you could play as the whole team not just 1 player, could you remember what this is please too or tell me how to do it?

Also are there any hidden moves in the game other than the standard controls?

Cheers

Geschrieben von: bensix 04.11.2008 - 19:26

Played 5 games with your config


My thoughts:

*Players are running to far backwards,more than necessary

*Long shots from strikers while there are better options to score.

*Many turnings with ball (player has the ball and than turns around,mostly with ball moving too far from feet)

*While defending,defenders are moving in front of the attackers instead of behind the attackers (maybe tactical,turning off offside trap???)

*Free kick shots to far away from goal

* Still many backwards passing
* Can you do something about the player talks (not during half time), you need to talk too often with the players.

*build up play is ok

(should I begin a new game for the patch,could it be different of save game)??

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 04.11.2008 - 19:54

QUOTE (Prismv @ 04.11.2008 - 18:54)

Geschrieben von: Prismv 04.11.2008 - 20:27

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 04.11.2008 - 18:54)

Hello,

i'm sorry to dissapoint you here, but that wasn't me you are talking about

However, i do remember that i helped someone to build such patch with tips, i dunno how it turned out..the whole fusion thing was in enabling controller.

Line that you have to put is in the user.ini file in game's main folder :

ENABLE_CONTROLLER = 1

And then don't pick any player and you should be able to control them all..but this trick worked in 08 version, please let me know if it still apply for this one..

Btw, i'm very strongly against it, i find manager game best to sit back and watch the show, that's what is true meaning of managerial career, not to be able to take possesion of certain player..you have fifa soccer game for that

Only "other" keys i know is control, or alt, or shift for dribbles, i don't remember any more which one is it..

Best regards!

Geschrieben von: vivacook 04.11.2008 - 20:51

Hey smb

Send the beta...I willtst as well

Tried the rendering made a small difference but not enough.

I dont think the graphics work correctly on a AGP X4

Anyone got one?

I will start new post and ask

Geschrieben von: Prismv 04.11.2008 - 21:31

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 04.11.2008 - 18:54)

Hello,

i'm sorry to dissapoint you here, but that wasn't me you are talking about

However, i do remember that i helped someone to build such patch with tips, i dunno how it turned out..the whole fusion thing was in enabling controller.

Line that you have to put is in the user.ini file in game's main folder :

ENABLE_CONTROLLER = 1

And then don't pick any player and you should be able to control them all..but this trick worked in 08 version, please let me know if it still apply for this one..

Btw, i'm very strongly against it, i find manager game best to sit back and watch the show, that's what is true meaning of managerial career, not to be able to take possesion of certain player..you have fifa soccer game for that

Only "other" keys i know is control, or alt, or shift for dribbles, i don't remember any more which one is it..

Best regards!

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 04.11.2008 - 23:24

QUOTE (Prismv @ 04.11.2008 - 21:31)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 04.11.2008 - 23:30

If i missed anyone for beta test, please do remind me again, i can get senile sometimes

Anyway, tomorrow afternoon i'm deleting link for beta and closiong down testing rounds, and will implement, or try to implement all your thoughts into final release..some can be done, and some can't..

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 04.11.2008 - 23:46

QUOTE (bensix @ 04.11.2008 - 19:26)

Geschrieben von: Prismv 05.11.2008 - 0:24

Well just played first game using the beta patch and I must say it was great.

I noticed better passing and an all round improvement, great work.

Some things I have noticed however.

The defending back line, this is a problem it seems my defenders like to go "walkabout" and they are caught out too high up the pitch, maybe I need to change their defensive settings but all to often I am faced with 3-4 attackers and no defender to be found lol.

I'm noticeing a lot of bad tackles go unpunished and worse when faced with a 1 on 1 my player is brought down, the opposition defender will not even get a yellow card?!!! Yet if my player does a tackle in the midfield it's a straight red?

I know this isn't a patch issue as it was done with the standard game, but is there a way to fix this?

Also it looks like you have changed the camera angle in the patch, it was slightly at a rotation, I do like it better like this, how did you change it?

On a sad note I have to say my game is crashing now, this isn't anything to do with the patch but im on vista 64bit and its the 2nd time it has happened, it only seems to crash during the game.

Is there a way to play this windowed at all?

Great work keep it up tho m8

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 05.11.2008 - 0:39

QUOTE (Prismv @ 05.11.2008 - 0:24)

Well just played first game using the beta patch and I must say it was great.

I noticed better passing and an all round improvement, great work.

Some things I have noticed however.

The defending back line, this is a problem it seems my defenders like to go "walkabout" and they are caught out too high up the pitch, maybe I need to change their defensive settings but all to often I am faced with 3-4 attackers and no defender to be found lol.

I'm noticeing a lot of bad tackles go unpunished and worse when faced with a 1 on 1 my player is brought down, the opposition defender will not even get a yellow card?!!! Yet if my player does a tackle in the midfield it's a straight red?

I know this isn't a patch issue as it was done with the standard game, but is there a way to fix this?

Also it looks like you have changed the camera angle in the patch, it was slightly at a rotation, I do like it better like this, how did you change it?

On a sad note I have to say my game is crashing now, this isn't anything to do with the patch but im on vista 64bit and its the 2nd time it has happened, it only seems to crash during the game.

Is there a way to play this windowed at all?

Great work keep it up tho m8

Geschrieben von: Prismv 05.11.2008 - 0:46

Great work m8

Thanks for the info and the windows tip.

How do I go about changing the camera angle, by that I mean not using the standard ones.
Is it possible to zoom out further at all so you can see more of the pitch?

Also I have noticed that when playing fusion mode, the scanner dissapears, this is difficult as you can't see your forward line, any ideas?

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 05.11.2008 - 0:55

QUOTE (Prismv @ 05.11.2008 - 0:46)

Geschrieben von: kons45 05.11.2008 - 12:38

SMB!!! Without sounding gay..I wanna say I LOVE you (actually your patch) and u have made this game playable for me. I was trying loads of patches for the 08 game on 09 but nothing was working the passing was awful. I even tried your 8.2 but no go.

My first game was an international match btwn..I cant even remember wat my national team is..Lichtenstein I think and Switzerland. My team was way weaker so I played 5-4-1 and very defensive with counter attacked turned on. The players were awesome passing the ball around and the Swiss team also had some good moves.

The Swiss took the lead with a superb header..something I havent seen in 09. Curled free kick from the right and smashed in just outside the 6yard box low into the corner..my defenders were at fault.

For the second half I played 532 and my team scored the best(est) goal Ive seen on FifaM09! I'll have to upload it when I have the time!Rushing out now but had to tell u how pleased I am.

Switzerland did score a long shot beautifully placed 1min later though and I lost but I didnt care coz my team played how I wanted them too just that the swiss were too strong.

I then played a match with my main team Cambridge United. The first pass my player gave the ball away and I though oh no the patch only works on highly rated teams. The computer then started stringing some lovely passes together and I was very excited. My team went down 1-0, 2-1 and made it 2-2 at HT after they had a man sent of.

I went full offensive in the second half and conceded =(. I did manage to pull it back to 3-3 but couldnt find the winning goal!

You are my hero SMB. The patch is not perfect but u've shown me that the game can be modified to become playable. Defence seemed too open for my lower league game but it was only one match. I would also like the players to challege a bit more for headers.

Some of the MANY good pts are offsides don't happen every second attack by either team(I hated that in the original patch) and the passing is so awesome now!

Can't wait to start playing properly now that the sack bug has been proven to be fake and 3D is fixed!!!

WOOOHOOO!!! Keep it up SMB!

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 05.11.2008 - 13:29

Hey, Kons, i'm glad you are enjoying your defeats now

As you said it, there are lots of fine-tunes to do here, but we'll get to those eventually, my main goal for this first version is to establish great base, and major tweaks like built-up play and passing mechanics. I do admit that it's visible that i didn't do much on minor tweaks, but let's prepare the fire first with this version, and pun on some meat on the barbecue later on I'm actually not satisfied with this first patch, but it's better then i thought it would be.

Feel free to post all the negatives here as you will play on, until the final version is released..i still hope i'll be able to close it up in Friday

Keep in touch!

Btw, i expect less goals in final version, as i have made better reactions for goalies, they were letting in too much long shots, so that is already redone..

Geschrieben von: bensix 05.11.2008 - 14:45

ZITAT(smbtouch @ 04.11.2008 - 23:46)

The turning feature is annoying to me also, it's either to let them do the turn or pass back to defence, no other option as i can see, so..from two evils i choose smaller one Maybe "they" will do something about it with official update1, as this is hard-coded change in animation

Geschrieben von: Dave87 05.11.2008 - 14:52

ZITAT(smbtouch @ 05.11.2008 - 13:29)

Hey, Kons, i'm glad you are enjoying your defeats now

As you said it, there are lots of fine-tunes to do here, but we'll get to those eventually, my main goal for this first version is to establish great base, and major tweaks like built-up play and passing mechanics. I do admit that it's visible that i didn't do much on minor tweaks, but let's prepare the fire first with this version, and pun on some meat on the barbecue later on I'm actually not satisfied with this first patch, but it's better then i thought it would be.

Feel free to post all the negatives here as you will play on, until the final version is released..i still hope i'll be able to close it up in Friday

Keep in touch!

Btw, i expect less goals in final version, as i have made better reactions for goalies, they were letting in too much long shots, so that is already redone..

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 05.11.2008 - 15:27

QUOTE (bensix @ 05.11.2008 - 14:45)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 05.11.2008 - 15:33

QUOTE (Dave87 @ 05.11.2008 - 14:52)

Geschrieben von: davis1985 05.11.2008 - 20:04

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 05.11.2008 - 14:33)

Hello David,

keep an eye on custom gameplay patches from community, and i'm sure you will find the right one for you..we all try to make it look as realistic as possible, like you are watching actual game on tv, but we are limited by engine so it can't be 100% as we would like it to be..but we try

I'm hoping to release gameplay patch for this weekend, friday possibly, and i hope my fellow patchers will activate soon also with their work.

Stay tuned!

Geschrieben von: vivacook 05.11.2008 - 21:25

Hi smb

Played a few games.

U have managed to create the most realistic mirror of a prem football match.

Boring...pass sideways..pass backwards...pass sideways...pass backwards. No shots unless wide by a mile.
No exitement...no skill...just keep the ball...keep the ball....keep the ball...snr snr..snr.

This is football as we watch it. Not sure how you achieved this, but I`m after the opposite.

Direct football...pass quick and strike...defenders get in the way or striker gets a chance...keeper saves or goal!!!

Don`t take this personnel (I`m sure you won`t, you know I owe you you for keeping me after 08 was released) but this hard coded pass backwards and sideways and short, one man back to same man...back to same man ...back to same man...bores the pants out of me.
Why oh why can`t BF learn from our comments.

A lot of work to do my friend. Your the man though.

One thing...loaded direct 9 back on my machine and fixed my graphic problem. Just need a game to play now.

I have loaded our patch from 07 and this isn`t far away exept for the ridiculous back passing when near goal.

We need to get BF to re-set this passing hard code or its another year wasted.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 06.11.2008 - 0:32

QUOTE (davis1985 @ 05.11.2008 - 20:04)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 06.11.2008 - 0:36

QUOTE (vivacook @ 05.11.2008 - 21:25)

Geschrieben von: kons45 06.11.2008 - 12:34

As promised here is the superb goal that Lithuania scored =).

Lets hope Update one adds new things to the engine and our superb patchers (SMB) and the rest can make it even more beautiful!

Have a look!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKTLjDKAAgM

Dammit came out really small.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 06.11.2008 - 13:49

QUOTE (kons45 @ 06.11.2008 - 12:34)

Geschrieben von: Coolbananas 06.11.2008 - 21:17

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 06.11.2008 - 12:49)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 06.11.2008 - 23:26

QUOTE (Coolbananas @ 06.11.2008 - 21:17)

Geschrieben von: davis1985 07.11.2008 - 0:04

Managed to play a few games this evening and I must say that I am very impressed. The passing is better, much better. I would say the ratio of good to bad passes is just about right. Would like to see players make a few more quick passes and one two's at times because at times they make slow decisions. Good to see that wingers are a bit more involved in the game. The first touch of the players has improved but I still think it is a little heavy, especially when the players need to run backwards to receive the pass. Close control could be slightly better in dribbling (for skill full players) and for when players turn with the ball (it moves away from them too much). I still think there is a little to much backwards passing. It is fine for midfielders who are in their own half but sometimes players in attacking positions pass the ball all the way back to defence. Wing play could be improved a little, with wingers cutting in more and also delivering more crosses instead of passing back or just losing the ball. I think the balance with free kicks, shots and goal keeping is pretty much perfect. Some shots are saved, some miss, some hit the post and some are saved and I like that. Defending in the game is alright from what I have gather so far. Just notice that the defenders are a bit slow in getting back up after a sliding tackle. Referee seems fine and I would say there are the right amount of offsides now.

Over all it is a massive step forward and I'm enjoying 3d matches again so thank you SMB, I look forward to your actual patch over the weekend.

Btw I looked at some 3d match previews before the game came out and does anyone else think the actual 3d match engine that came with the game looks different (i.e no where near as good)?

Geschrieben von: kons45 07.11.2008 - 2:37

Hi Davis,

I'm wondering if those previews u saw were on Gamespot? They were one of the websites that linked Fifa09 Videos and labeled them as FifaM09 videos.

If it was definitely FifaM09 videos then Im not sure I saw any preview ones.

Geschrieben von: DiceDuP 07.11.2008 - 10:39

Friday at last and i've been waiting all week to see SMB's first release. Good luck and I hope you manage to get it out so that I (and I'm sure many others) can try and enjoy a weekend of FM09. Had the game since release but stopped playing it as the 3D matches are soooo bad (let alone all the other bugs). I will give feedback once I've played it a while. Thx.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 07.11.2008 - 11:39

QUOTE (DiceDuP @ 07.11.2008 - 10:39)

Geschrieben von: miwright64 07.11.2008 - 11:46

Hi,

Any chance I can have the link to the config file, the 3d engine for this version is just the same as last years. Do they ever test these before releasing or is it a case of the name of the game will sell it ?

Thanks

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 07.11.2008 - 11:49

QUOTE (miwright64 @ 07.11.2008 - 11:46)

Geschrieben von: miwright64 07.11.2008 - 12:20

Thats great, will you be able to cure the attacking fullbacks running back to their own goal with the ball, my left back was in a great position to cross and decided would be best to play safe and run 100 yards back to his own keeper, was funny to watch, if he does it again i'll shoot him. That would be a great option

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 07.11.2008 - 12:39

QUOTE (miwright64 @ 07.11.2008 - 12:20)

Thats great, will you be able to cure the attacking fullbacks running back to their own goal with the ball, my left back was in a great position to cross and decided would be best to play safe and run 100 yards back to his own keeper, was funny to watch, if he does it again i'll shoot him. That would be a great option

Geschrieben von: miwright64 07.11.2008 - 15:04

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 07.11.2008 - 11:39)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 07.11.2008 - 15:14

QUOTE (miwright64 @ 07.11.2008 - 15:04)

Very true, although being a west ham fan, we tend to pass forward to the opposition

I don't mind a sensible back pass but to turn attack into defence can be very tiresome. Game just crashed again in 3d mode, glad to see things don't change at EA testing !

Geschrieben von: dommos 07.11.2008 - 15:15

Hi smbtouch

Just wondering if you could supply a commented (rems of your changes) version so that people
could use the various elements that you have changed to their own tastes?

Your 2008 version wus the best


Btw
Off topic, but how the hell do you get rid of the German text - different pages i visit still display in German although I,ve clicked the UK flag?

Thank you

Regards

Dommos

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 07.11.2008 - 15:18

QUOTE (dommos @ 07.11.2008 - 15:15)

Hi smbtouch

Just wondering if you could supply a commented (rems of your changes) version so that people
could use the various elements that you have changed to their own tastes?

Your 2008 version wus the best


Btw
Off topic, but how the hell do you get rid of the German text - different pages i visit still display in German although I,ve clicked the UK flag?

Thank you

Regards

Dommos

Geschrieben von: dommos 07.11.2008 - 16:05

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 07.11.2008 - 14:18)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 07.11.2008 - 17:50

QUOTE (dommos @ 07.11.2008 - 16:05)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 07.11.2008 - 19:01

The patch has just been send to Lucanfo for hosting, and it will be avaliable for download on Lucanfo's page of gameplays here :

http://www.fifamanagergameplay.com/english.html

Aternatively, it was suppose to be hosted by FMBASE crew, but their page is down at the moment, hopefully they will contact me when they fix it, i wish them fast recovery, as you can really find quality content there.

As for the introduction :

*************************************************
SMBtouch's FIFAM09 3D Gameplay Patch V1
*************************************************

To install, replace your original config.big file with the one in archive.

Config.big is located in your main directory on drive where you installed the game.
Don't forget to backup your original file before applying change.


List of updates due to original gameplay :

- players use their default skill values, instead of falling into tiers
- difference in speed between regular player, and those with great pace
- ground-passing style built-up play
- more long shot attempts
- more goals from long shots, keeper reactions are tweaked along
- more dribble attempts from skilled players
- direct approach to goal from strikers, they will be hungry for goals, and bit selfish as they should be
- passing picking remade, skilled players will do forward passes more, less skilled will play safer ones
- clearances will be turned on always when there is danger, no risky possesion play in front of your own goal
- less energy reduction
- less form impact on performance (better impact of tactics)
- less fatigue impact (better impact of tactics)
- no sudden drops or rises for teams during games, more consistency in players
- players are gaining morale boost with every game they played


To return to your original gameplay simply copy/paste original file back.

Enjoy your games!

****************************************

Please do be patient until you find patch hosted on the link above..i'm really looking forward to hear some thoughts from you, and to point me to best possible direction with all future releases..i also want to thank all of you who tested beta version and provided me some info..

Enjoy your games! I'm bound to get some sleep from now on, I haven't had a decent sleep for whole week building this thing

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: vivacook 07.11.2008 - 19:03

You ready to release yet mate?

I have come up with a few things to help the forward pass a bit more. Just testing at moment.

No more (up to yet) clean through... keeper to beat....turn around and pass it back.

Slower passing but only because gravity incorrect.

Things harder to understand this time.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 07.11.2008 - 19:06

QUOTE (vivacook @ 07.11.2008 - 19:03)

Geschrieben von: bensix 07.11.2008 - 19:58

I'll wait for the link so I can see the difference with the beta

feedback will follow

Geschrieben von: jimimadrid 07.11.2008 - 20:38

Do you know when lucanfo will host it?? Would it be a problem to host it via Filefront??

Geschrieben von: lucanfo 07.11.2008 - 21:09

SMBtouch's FIFAM09 3D gameplay patch V1 on line!!!!

CLICK http://www.fifamanagergameplay.com/english.html

Luca

Geschrieben von: bensix 07.11.2008 - 21:11

ZITAT(lucanfo @ 07.11.2008 - 21:09)

SMBtouch's FIFAM09 3D gameplay patch V1 on line!!!!

CLICK http://www.fifamanagergameplay.com/english.html

Luca

Geschrieben von: cheski 07.11.2008 - 21:41

once ive downloaded the patch were do i put it?

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 07.11.2008 - 23:18

QUOTE (cheski @ 07.11.2008 - 21:41)

Geschrieben von: Coolbananas 07.11.2008 - 23:25

Cheers SMB and Luca will post some feedback tommorow.

Geschrieben von: Alexdino 08.11.2008 - 5:01

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 07.11.2008 - 19:01)

Geschrieben von: bensix 08.11.2008 - 8:27

ZITAT(Alexdino @ 08.11.2008 - 5:01)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 08.11.2008 - 11:25

QUOTE (Alexdino @ 08.11.2008 - 5:01)

Geschrieben von: dommos 08.11.2008 - 13:17

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 07.11.2008 - 16:50)

I was considering that option last year, but i don't find myself competent enough to provide "tutorial" for patch, and further more i have done so many changes that i would have to import all original values first to comment..the problem is that averyone has to get into "touch" of their own config, and best way to do it is to test on your own and make their own conclusion about it..maybe i'll do something about it once i have enough time, maybe if we crack "ultimate" version sooner this year.

But as for now, i think we'll have to deal with "how to.." question a little more In fact, that's why we have "tips&tricks" to share all thoughts and comment..if all would follow my thoughts only, we would be completelly stuck with numerous versions of smae patch, i find it better to have people with some unique ideas which they would never try maybe if they simply followed one man's tips, you know? Follow the blind

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 08.11.2008 - 13:20

QUOTE (dommos @ 08.11.2008 - 13:17)

Geschrieben von: dommos 08.11.2008 - 13:40

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 08.11.2008 - 12:20)

This animation bug was in original gameplay and the leaked demo also, i hope the devs will fix it as it does spoils the moment when you see it..as for headers, i disagree, i get lots of quality shots and goals, and won't change it..if you want to change and test it on your own, open ai.ini and increase this value :

HEADER_POWERUP_RATE = 120

You have two lines, change them both..

I said before that tackling needs work, and will try to make it better for next version, it's on the list

And keeper is intentionally like that, becouse i simply hate to see him going out and suffer trick shot over his head from attackers, it's not realistic, i like them more closer to goal while charging..if you want to change it, try to use this default values in ai.ini :

// Size of a box (feet) where goalie with 100% skill "PLAYER_ATTRIBUTE_PENALTY_AREA" is charging the ball
CHARGE_MAX_BOX_WIDTH = 90
CHARGE_MAX_BOX_LENGTH = 90

// Size of a box (feet) where goalie with 0% skill "PLAYER_ATTRIBUTE_PENALTY_AREA" is charging the ball
CHARGE_MIN_BOX_WIDTH = 30
CHARGE_MIN_BOX_LENGTH = 30

CHARGE_ALWAYS_BOX_WIDTH = 60
CHARGE_ALWAYS_BOX_LENGTH = 50
CHARGE_STRIP_BOX_WIDTH = 121
CHARGE_STRIP_BOX_LENGTH = 54
CHARGE_ALWAYS_RANGE = 15
CHARGE_STRIP_RANGE = 5
CHARGE_STRIP_ANGLE = 30
CHARGE_STOP_RANGE = 2
CHARGE_TACKLE_ANGLE = 130
CHARGE_COMMIT_TIME = 20
CHARGE_BACKAT_RANGE = 10
CHARGE_FACEAT_RANGE = 15
CHARGE_FULLSPEED_RANGE = 15

USER_GOALIE_AUTO_CHARGE = 1
USER_GOALIE_CHARGE_SCALE = 66

MAX_BALL_PREDICT_TIME = 20
BALL_PREDICT_RANGE = 40
TARGET_ANTICIPATION = 80
ANCHOR_ANTICIPATION = 100
ANCHOR_WIDTH = 12
ANCHOR_MAX_BALL_ANGLE = 18
THREAT_WIDTH = 24
PRIMARY_THREAT_WIDTH = 4
SECONDARY_THREAT_WIDTH = 4

Best regards!

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 08.11.2008 - 13:54

QUOTE (dommos @ 08.11.2008 - 13:40)

Thanks for all that!!

How about this:

4) The most important one - when players recieve the ball the ball nearly always bounces away from them (several yards) - this means they quite often lose possession - players control stats do not seem to count as this seems to be a generic error - really spoils the gameplay!!

I think this is a serious problem -- any ideas?


Regards

Dommos

Geschrieben von: arsenal_rockz 08.11.2008 - 14:49

Have you fixed the GK bug? Where he doesn't leave the box to deal with long balls?

Geschrieben von: latifolia 08.11.2008 - 14:53

QUOTE (arsenal_rockz @ 08.11.2008 - 21:49)

Geschrieben von: arsenal_rockz 08.11.2008 - 14:56

Ok thanks I will fix that

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 08.11.2008 - 15:03

QUOTE (arsenal_rockz @ 08.11.2008 - 14:56)

Geschrieben von: arsenal_rockz 08.11.2008 - 15:47

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 08.11.2008 - 15:03)

It's active in the patch, you don't have to check Hey, why aren't you watching the game?

Geschrieben von: jet 08.11.2008 - 17:32

In 1on1 situations, the goalkeepers stands still, turns around and watches the forward how he runs around him and scores.

Will this be fixed in an update?

Geschrieben von: vivacook 08.11.2008 - 17:43

well done SMB,

Funny how you can make this game playable after a week......it took BF a year to mess it up!!!!
I supppose we should be gratefulthey dont bring a game out everu 6 months lol.

Still too much close passing for me...but I can change that.

Well done again!

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 08.11.2008 - 17:54

QUOTE (vivacook @ 08.11.2008 - 17:43)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 08.11.2008 - 17:58

QUOTE (jet @ 08.11.2008 - 17:32)

Geschrieben von: arsenal_rockz 08.11.2008 - 18:15

First game ever with your patch

http://imageshack.us
http://g.imageshack.us/img238/57086913tn1.jpg/1/

I am playing with Hull

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 08.11.2008 - 18:39

QUOTE (arsenal_rockz @ 08.11.2008 - 18:15)

Geschrieben von: arsenal_rockz 08.11.2008 - 18:50

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 08.11.2008 - 18:39)

What kind of match was that?

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 08.11.2008 - 18:57

QUOTE (arsenal_rockz @ 08.11.2008 - 18:50)

Geschrieben von: bjkat81 08.11.2008 - 21:10

I'm not sure why this is exactly, but after I installed the 3d patch, i'm winning games (or losing games) by huge numbers. Most of the games had 8 to 10 goals scored. Lots and lots of goals basically. I also realized that I have not seen one pass-back to the goalie, which I think is probably responsible for most of the goals. Is there a way to make the defenders more conservative with their passes? They try to dribble past strikers, who steal the ball and then go one-on-one with the keeper for a goal. I think that if you could solve that problem, it'd make the scores more realistic, etc.

Geschrieben von: vivacook 08.11.2008 - 22:18

some of these comments suprise me.

I still feel that different comp specs produce different scorelines and patterns of behaviour.

I havent had any funny results as of yet (although I have tweaked a bit).

Do you think the first patch will correct the silly passing backwards?

They never fixed anything last year in a patch (free kick, easy fix...convert to 07...worked perfect) only slight bugs that were already known.

I`m not sure they really listen deeply enough to whats said on the forums (English Dutch and German), I feel they just continue with new stuff that either makes more things worse or adds sparkly flashy stuff thats not really needed.
Probably get a new speedboat or better looking wife, with patch 1!!!

I didnt like 08 but it took a year to get it nearly right (except for the free kick that could have been fixed at any time of the year but never was) so I don`t hold out much hope this time because there is so mch wrong with the play in 3d or 09.

Your coments......how do we get them to listen in time for patch 2?

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 09.11.2008 - 0:36

QUOTE (bjkat81 @ 08.11.2008 - 21:10)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 09.11.2008 - 0:40

QUOTE (vivacook @ 08.11.2008 - 22:18)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 09.11.2008 - 3:07

QUOTE (dommos @ 08.11.2008 - 13:40)

Thanks for all that!!

How about this:

4) The most important one - when players recieve the ball the ball nearly always bounces away from them (several yards) - this means they quite often lose possession - players control stats do not seem to count as this seems to be a generic error - really spoils the gameplay!!

I think this is a serious problem -- any ideas?


Regards

Dommos

Geschrieben von: TheItalianjob 09.11.2008 - 13:03

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 08.11.2008 - 16:58)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 09.11.2008 - 13:22

QUOTE (TheItalianjob @ 09.11.2008 - 13:03)

Geschrieben von: TheItalianjob 09.11.2008 - 13:42

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 09.11.2008 - 12:22)

You tell me if it's all right for you I like the mechanics as it is in the patch

And yes, they are from original config

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 09.11.2008 - 14:03

QUOTE (TheItalianjob @ 09.11.2008 - 13:42)

Geschrieben von: bjkat81 09.11.2008 - 15:40

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 08.11.2008 - 23:36)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 09.11.2008 - 16:05

QUOTE (bjkat81 @ 09.11.2008 - 15:40)

Geschrieben von: Bimmie 09.11.2008 - 16:22

Hi all

Smbtouch, thanks again for yet another 3D patch for this year's version. I really appreciate your work to it and thanks to everyone helping him along with this.

I do have a small question: which programme do you use to open the ini files? I had it once but it seems to have disappeared in space and time. I know it was a program by EA.

Geschrieben von: bensix 09.11.2008 - 17:16

I'm sorry my results are also to big.

Winning 7-0,5-2

losing 1-6,2-4

always a lot of goals

I'm playing a 4-4-2 with a DM and a CM,LM,RM

Geschrieben von: bensix 09.11.2008 - 17:19

SMB, can you tell me what line I should edit to activate player skills?

Thx

Geschrieben von: bensix 09.11.2008 - 17:49

ZITAT(Bimmie @ 09.11.2008 - 16:22)

Geschrieben von: Bimmie 09.11.2008 - 18:16

ZITAT(bensix @ 09.11.2008 - 17:49)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 09.11.2008 - 18:16

QUOTE (bensix @ 09.11.2008 - 17:19)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 09.11.2008 - 18:17

QUOTE (Bimmie @ 09.11.2008 - 18:16)

Geschrieben von: bensix 09.11.2008 - 18:28

ZITAT(smbtouch @ 09.11.2008 - 18:16)

Geschrieben von: Bimmie 09.11.2008 - 19:24

I just tried it out and it works great for me. I'm playing with Chelsea and I beat West Ham 3-1 and beat Everton 0-2. Very nice playing.

One adjustment though: how do you tweak the fatigue effect of a game? Cause nearly all of my players were 95+ on energy a week after the game. I'd like to put it just a tad bit lower

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 09.11.2008 - 19:43

QUOTE (Bimmie @ 09.11.2008 - 19:24)

I just tried it out and it works great for me. I'm playing with Chelsea and I beat West Ham 3-1 and beat Everton 0-2. Very nice playing.

One adjustment though: how do you tweak the fatigue effect of a game? Cause nearly all of my players were 95+ on energy a week after the game. I'd like to put it just a tad bit lower

Geschrieben von: Bimmie 09.11.2008 - 21:33

Great, thanks again for your help.

Geschrieben von: vivacook 10.11.2008 - 15:53

Hi smb,

Could you explain what these lines do in the game?

You have probably explained before but cant find it.

FBI_DEF_BONUS_MAX = 0.8
FBI_DEF_BONUS_RANGE = 0.3
FBI_DEF_BONUS_LINE = 0.4
FBI_MID_BONUS_MAX = 0.0
FBI_MID_BONUS_RANGE = 0.0
FBI_MID_BONUS_LINE = -2.5
FBI_FWD_BONUS_MAX = 0.0
FBI_FWD_BONUS_RANGE = 0.0
FBI_FWD_BONUS_LINE = -1.3
FBI_LINE_BONUS_MULTIPLIER = 40.0
FBI_ANGLE_PENALTY_SECONDS = 20.0
FBI_LEAD = 32.0
FBI_SPEEDFACTOR = 0.003
FBI_HYSTERESIS_SECONDS = 0.035
FBI_SECOND_MARKER_THRESHOLD = 130.0

Cheers

Geschrieben von: Prismv 10.11.2008 - 16:31

Why have you asked this question 3 times on 3 different posts?

Geschrieben von: Ecstasio 10.11.2008 - 16:53

I already answered in a different post.

-E-

Geschrieben von: Mirconek 10.11.2008 - 20:38

Ciao, I think that this is the best patch.,....only one request,...when you remake the patch, can you let the goalkeeper exit from its area????

Geschrieben von: vivacook 10.11.2008 - 22:01

Didnt know I had to answer to you!

Different people see things different.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 11.11.2008 - 0:19

QUOTE (Mirconek @ 10.11.2008 - 20:38)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 11.11.2008 - 0:24

QUOTE (vivacook @ 10.11.2008 - 22:01)

Geschrieben von: kons45 11.11.2008 - 2:43

Hey SMB,

That sounds really great coz I was gonna request from the patchers how to make the ball stick to the feet to a certain extent. I play with Cambridge C. got promoted from REgional South and Im enjoying the gameplay to an extent but the real gamebreaker is the lack of control from the players.

I have had shots parried by the opponents keeper and my striker has an open goal and instead of tapping it in he runs to the ball,and it runs away from him and out of play. I think this is mainly for teams with lower ratings as I simulated a match against Liverpool and their players seemed to hold on to the ball pretty well.

I dont mind realism and understand my players are meant to be weak but its pretty frustrating in the 90th min when the score is 1-1 and ur striker receives the ball with his back to the goal. Instead of turning or even stopping the ball and turning he runs to the ball and pushes it back pretty far and then loses it. Once in a while is fine but it happens too often and its wrecking the game for me.

Im really impatient while waiting for patch one so maybe if u can't pass me ur beta you could tell me which lines to add/change and where so that I can at least get a temp fix coz I really wanna play and enjoy the game.

Thanks SMB!

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 11.11.2008 - 8:54

QUOTE (kons45 @ 11.11.2008 - 2:43)

Hey SMB,

That sounds really great coz I was gonna request from the patchers how to make the ball stick to the feet to a certain extent. I play with Cambridge C. got promoted from REgional South and Im enjoying the gameplay to an extent but the real gamebreaker is the lack of control from the players.

I have had shots parried by the opponents keeper and my striker has an open goal and instead of tapping it in he runs to the ball,and it runs away from him and out of play. I think this is mainly for teams with lower ratings as I simulated a match against Liverpool and their players seemed to hold on to the ball pretty well.

I dont mind realism and understand my players are meant to be weak but its pretty frustrating in the 90th min when the score is 1-1 and ur striker receives the ball with his back to the goal. Instead of turning or even stopping the ball and turning he runs to the ball and pushes it back pretty far and then loses it. Once in a while is fine but it happens too often and its wrecking the game for me.

Im really impatient while waiting for patch one so maybe if u can't pass me ur beta you could tell me which lines to add/change and where so that I can at least get a temp fix coz I really wanna play and enjoy the game.

Thanks SMB!

Geschrieben von: Tisik 11.11.2008 - 17:48

Thanx for your efforts to make our game better SMB!

A few remarks:

One thing I do not find normal is the fact that it's so easy to walk through a defence. In every game I played so far players turn up alone before the goalkeeper so many times. Of course this can happen in a game, and in some games it can happen a few times, but that it happens several times in each game I don't think that's normal.

Something I also see every year is stupid attacking actions. I know that footballplayers can be stupid sometimes , but sometimes in the game I see a player for example trying to do a header towards goal where in real that would never happen.

Another problem that returns every year is players hesitating in an abnormal way. Sometimes you think why the hell is this player still standing on his same place while he had the chance to go to the ball, and then the player of the other team gets away with the ball.

Greetz

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 11.11.2008 - 19:40

QUOTE (Tisik @ 11.11.2008 - 17:48)

Thanx for your efforts to make our game better SMB!

A few remarks:

One thing I do not find normal is the fact that it's so easy to walk through a defence. In every game I played so far players turn up alone before the goalkeeper so many times. Of course this can happen in a game, and in some games it can happen a few times, but that it happens several times in each game I don't think that's normal.

Something I also see every year is stupid attacking actions. I know that footballplayers can be stupid sometimes , but sometimes in the game I see a player for example trying to do a header towards goal where in real that would never happen.

Another problem that returns every year is players hesitating in an abnormal way. Sometimes you think why the hell is this player still standing on his same place while he had the chance to go to the ball, and then the player of the other team gets away with the ball.

Greetz

Geschrieben von: Fori55 12.11.2008 - 19:03

There's loads of fouls in my games.

A the freekicks - one word - AWESOME.


2 x 30m freekick ownage.


This ROCKS.

Uh. Just noticed. One thing I have to add: The freshness (sorry for the word) for the OM,RM and LM is extreme low at the game's end. Can you probably tell me how to make them loose a bit less?

Thanks.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 12.11.2008 - 23:46

QUOTE (Fori55 @ 12.11.2008 - 19:03)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 12.11.2008 - 23:59

Hello all,

i would like to add that after really thorough testings, i have discovered some very unique tweaks to do, and will surely use them in the next patch..from this point of wiew, i find my first patch total crap, sorry that you had to put up with it, please consider it as just a playground for me to hit the best possible version for second patch made for playing under update2..here is info related to 3D from developer's blog :

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 25.11.2008 - 17:08

Hello all,

sorry for being idle for last few weeks, but finally update1 is released, and i will start with building my first "propper" patch for this game..i can't wait honestly, as i didn't play the game at all lately

Here is the link to download if anyone missed it :

http://fm09.de/publish/en/home/downloads/downloads.html?fid=345&cid=48

Let's all hope for better tomorrow now, and fingers crossed it's better base to work on

Best regards!

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 26.11.2008 - 9:41

From what i saw so far, all previuos patches will not apply great here, it's still equally messed up as default gameplay, so i will dephinately abandon all work i had so far, and simply make a fresh start and fresh patch..this means it will take a lot longer to complete it, but i hope it will be the real deal..

Will keep you all informed about development as i move along..feel free to share impressions if you still play with my patch after you installed update1 and give us some thoughts..

Best regards!

Geschrieben von: TT-RINGY 26.11.2008 - 10:35

Thanks for all your hard work, I've played several matches now with update 1 ( great to see a change of referee )

My goal keeper still stands like a complete idiot on his line when the ball is sitting on the 18 yard line with no players
near the ball it really spoils my game It would be great if he would run out and attack/clear the ball like a REAL keeper would do. Hopefully you could "adjust" this in any patch you make ?

Many thanks,

Ringy.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 27.11.2008 - 9:57

QUOTE (TT-RINGY @ 26.11.2008 - 10:35)

Thanks for all your hard work, I've played several matches now with update 1 ( great to see a change of referee )

My goal keeper still stands like a complete idiot on his line when the ball is sitting on the 18 yard line with no players
near the ball it really spoils my game It would be great if he would run out and attack/clear the ball like a REAL keeper would do. Hopefully you could "adjust" this in any patch you make ?

Many thanks,

Ringy.

Geschrieben von: zippeddu 27.11.2008 - 11:45

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 27.11.2008 - 9:57)

It's hard-coded problem this time, last year we could choose wheather keeper will leave the goal or not to pick up the ball, by the look of it so far this time we can't pick at all - it is disabled no matter if we activate it or not ..but i'll do some more testings on it to confirm this

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 27.11.2008 - 12:15

QUOTE (zippeddu @ 27.11.2008 - 11:45)

The GK this year look even more silly then previuos version Stick with FM07 Extra Time till BF start to work well again

Geschrieben von: miwright64 27.11.2008 - 12:44

I second your sentiments smb.
It would be a shame, just as the game could realise its full potential, that due to to the need to make a quick euro the developers are not listening to the most important people, that is us the purchasers !

Anyone know any good jokes, this is depressing

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 27.11.2008 - 12:52

QUOTE (miwright64 @ 27.11.2008 - 12:44)

I second your sentiments smb.
It would be a shame, just as the game could realise its full potential, that due to to the need to make a quick euro the developers are not listening to the most important people, that is us the purchasers !

Anyone know any good jokes, this is depressing

Geschrieben von: miwright64 27.11.2008 - 14:54

This is even better joke, i bought it the day it came out and exchanged it 7 days later for football manager 09 and now am thinking about buying it again

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 27.11.2008 - 15:06

QUOTE (miwright64 @ 27.11.2008 - 14:54)

This is even better joke, i bought it the day it came out and exchanged it 7 days later for football manager 09 and now am thinking about buying it again

Geschrieben von: zippeddu 28.11.2008 - 18:24

A Beautiful Mind - Part One

Following on from the first part of the interview with Sports Interactive's Miles Jacobson, we continue our look at the football management genre with the first of a two-part interview with the general manager of Beautiful Game Studios - Roy Meredith.
The former EA man took over the reins just under a year ago with the task of reviving the Championship Manager game, which has suffered significantly since Sports Interactive parted company with Eidos and took their own code and database with them.
Here Meredith talks about the challenges that BGS now faces if it wants to become a serious player in the genre once more, and explains some of the changes that the studio has gone through.



Q: You've recently moved offices to the same building in Wimbledon as the SCi/Eidos headquarters - how many people do you have based here?
Roy Meredith: About fifty.



Q: And is that close to the final size of the team, or are you still expanding?
Roy Meredith: We're still looking for a couple of areas, because there are plans to expand what we do in terms of Championship Manager, but we're not quite ready to talk about that yet.
But there are fifty people here, and that's part and parcel of the structural changes that have gone on, both within ChampMan and Eidos. I came here from EA last November with a remit to make it a vertical business rather than that old publisher-developer mix that's been inherent in our industry for ages.
EA had made those changes as well, and about three months after I got here Eidos decided to do the same thing. They went through that big business review in February, which was an exciting and interesting time, and decided to create these vertical business pillars across six franchises.
So the fifty people we've got are bringing everything together - a really good example of that is mobile. Mobile never used to communicate, for various reasons - they were a different division within Eidos, they made ChampMan, they obviously wanted it to be basically the same game, but there was never really any integration in terms of either look or feel, or plans for the future about what we could do.
So we brought mobile in-house, and we've got one and a half people working on mobile, and we'll broaden that out. That gave us the ability to say that mobile has some obvious comparisons with handheld - you should own a handheld business, as a producer, and start ramping that team up to look at what we can do on handheld in the future.
The obvious comparison is that mobile and handheld don't have much memory, so how can we create a Championship Manager business on those when we can't put in a database of 120,000 players, or whatever? So we've got to look at that.
The reason the studio is quite as large as it is, is because everything is in-house now - marketing, mobile, everything in the same place. That means we get to a franchise level, whereas before it was separate bits of business dotted around, and it's hard to get games that look and feel the same, so that you know you're playing a ChampMan game - whether it's mobile, eventually online, and so on. The games may be different, but you've got to know you're in a Championship Manager universe - it's massively important.
The greatest example of that for me is The Sims - and I don't really want to compare us to The Sims business, because it's totally different to ours - but you know you're playing The Sims, whether it's MySims, the minigames... it's a great business model, and you know you're in that franchise.



Q: What's your assessment of the health of the ChampMan brand as things stand?
Roy Meredith: The health of the brand, as a name out there in the marketplace is incredibly strong. I think Football Manager must get a bit frustrated at times that people still refer to their game as "ChampMan" - although they do a good job of bringing that audience to them.
We did some research this year, and looked at football fans in general, and Championship Manager is probably one of the strongest brand names there in gaming. We're quoted left, right and centre. There was a piece by Ole Gunnar Solskjaer on the Manchester United website last week where he said, and I can't remember the exact quote, but it was along the lines of him having played Championship Manager for years so he knows how to structure teams and so on going forward. That's brilliant - so the strength of the brand name itself is huge.
In terms of the quality of the franchise, the quality of the products we've put out - yeah, I know, it's pretty poor. So that's why I was brought in last year and told to do this, because on one hand you have a very valuable brand, but at some point it's going to be worth zero because of the quality of the product.
So at the end of 2008 we're in a strong place in terms of name, but people aren't buying into our franchise. What we need to do is give consumers a reason to believe the franchise again. They know the fundamentals, the basics of the game, and they need to know the quality of the game is strong, because for too long it hasn't been.
I think for too long we've been a me-too product. There's no question that FM is a really strong, very good game, that knows its place in the market. For too long we've not had a vision that explains what Championship Manager is. No vision, no direction - where are we within that genre? We want to create a strong alternative, a competitor to Football Manager - irrespective of what they do, we need to be clear on what ChampMan is all about, and identify where we need to be.



Q: Is one of the biggest challenges that Sports Interactive have been making these games for over 15 years - they have so much experience that you have to really, really perform to make a dent on people's perceptions?
Roy Meredith: We do, you're absolutely right - the time pressure [following the Sports Interactive split with Eidos] and panic to bring a game to market actually was a pretty rash business judgement as it turned out. You can't build a game as good as they had, and BGS have been running to catch up ever since. The longer you go down that path, the longer it's going to take you to catch up.
That's why we've deliberately taken an 18-month development period - I'm not going to tell you the release date but it's been developed for quite a while. I came in halfway through and said that the important thing is to take a long dev time, convince Eidos they're here for the long term - we can't make short term fixes. We take a long time to develop this game, and we make it the first step on the road to recovery.
We've got to get things right, we've got to get a lot of fundamentals right with this game. We can't keep rushing and rushing and rushing and not have a plan. We've got to have a fixed plan and take some steps forward.
You're right with regards to Football Manager, they've been making games for 15 years - I think there are advantages and disadvantages to that. The advantages are obvious - they know what they're making, they know what their audience wants, they know their engine better than anybody, they know how they can progress.
But they've also got an engine that's full of legacy, and I'm not using this to knock FM at all. There are certain things they can do brilliantly going forward, there are certain things that their software will restrict them from doing.
We need to look at the market opportunities for us within the football management market, a 'thinking' football game if you like, that we can go into areas that maybe they can't, or they couldn't do as well as us. I did say earlier on that we need to avoid what they're doing and just make our game as strong as possible, but we've got to look at the opportunity to create our own area.
So we're looking at what the game's all about, what do football managers do? I don't want to go into FIFA Manager iterations of setting hotdog prices and building stadia - that's nothing to do with football management, that's dire, and that's why they don't enjoy big sales I believe.
But there are a lot of opportunities within what a football manager does, and I don't believe that FM will go down that route, but we can do it strongly - and it gives us an enjoyable game experience.
With two strong games in the marketplace it's good for the consumer, it's good for the genre and actually it's good for FM as well, because it will keep them pushing forward to iterate as well.


Q: Can Championship Manager be proof internally that putting game quality above fiscal period results is the way to go?
Roy Meredith: Quality is absolutely paramount. Phil [Rogers, CEO] and Chris [Glover, communications director] have gone on about quality, they understand that. Annual iteration is a killer. On sports games you can see the necessity for it because of the changing rosters - but having come from EA where they talked about Need for Speed falling into this annual iteration... there was a real worry within the company how it could be done, how to get it right.
I used to work in the music industry, and it goes back to that 'difficult second album' concept. It used to be quite a cliché, but there's a reason for it as well - you'd sign a band when they're really good, and had spent the past five years honing their set to their audience, they'd got 14 classic tracks.
So they put it out, a number of singles, great album, everything goes well. They go off and tour that, and are then expected to bring out the second album, but they haven't had the time to build up the roster of tracks. So they take the five tracks that weren't good enough for the first album, the five tracks that were getting good receptions on tour, and then hastily writing another three tracks, and out comes that disappointing second album.
Record companies, when they really invest in bands, don't go through that. U2's third album, they took about two or three years to release it. I think there's a parallel with the music industry - give people time to get things right. Quality cannot be rushed - if you haven't got a quality game, your community's just going to get fed up with you.
I guess the industry's moving towards new business models, with downloads and micro-transactions, where you can keep iterating. I think what Burnout's doing could be very, very smart at EA, which is releasing stuff that gives them the ability to prepare for the next iteration well into the future, but it keeps monetising - so it keeps the quarterly profits up.
I think there is a steer towards these micro-transactions, expansion packs, and so on.



Q: Battlefield Heroes?
Roy Meredith: Perfect example, and The Sims again, and World of Warcraft is a great example in a slightly different way online. I think people generally in the industry are coming round to understand that you're just going to bleed a franchise dry if you do it the other way.



Q: I assume that it can't have been much fun for the people working on the first iterations of ChampMan post-SI, so does this way help you to keep a more positive atmosphere?
Roy Meredith: I think that's right. I don't think we're there yet with BGS, I think that we've still got to go through a few cycles of this. But any studio, if they're on an annual iteration, and let's use the example of a game coming out in October - if they feel that every July and August they're going to be crunching, you can almost guarantee that you're not able to have holidays in the summer.
I think we've got to alleviate that. I don't think we'll ever get away from crunch, because there's never a finite end result - people are always pushing to get things back in. But to get to a point where you can make people feel the scale of the work is manageable and it's a decent quality product - nobody wants to produce something that falls short, particularly when you've got people that love football so much.



Q: You said that ChampMan this time around has had an 18-month development cycle - can you see a situation whereby every ChampMan takes that long, rather than the annual iteration?
Roy Meredith: If that's what will help quality, yes - definitely. I'd like to alleviate some of the stress of getting to the autumnal iteration, and there are a number of ways we can do that. We're looking at those at the moment.
Or we have a cycle where there are people working on stages, so we do bring out an annual iteration, but individuals are working on a longer period.

Roy Meredith is general manager at Beautiful Game Studios. Interview by Phil Elliott.

Geschrieben von: latifolia 28.11.2008 - 18:34

@Zippeddu

Why did you post it everywhere dude ?

Geschrieben von: jet 29.11.2008 - 11:13

18 Goalkicks in one 3-D-Match and not one of them landed by one of my players and everyone of these goalkicks was played long.

Maybe some finetuning would help.

But smbtouch is still the best GPP - thank you for you work.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 29.11.2008 - 11:36

QUOTE (jet @ 29.11.2008 - 11:13)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 30.11.2008 - 13:42

Hello all,

i'm proud to say that my next version is 90% ready for release, i have completed the build-up play and imported all the features you asked me to ( less turning, more straight attack to goal, more precision, goalie will pick up loose balls, kore through passes, less risky passes in front of goal..) , game looks fantastic now, it's only left for me to check for energy reduction, referee stricktness, offside calls, and difference between lower leagues and higher leagues in terms of match quality.

All in all, I can announce release of V2 in friday

Sorry to keep you waiting this long, but it's worth it, i promise I've been really patient with tweaking, imagine the scale from 1-100 where you change value from 7 to 5 and whole gameplay looks different, that's how it is with some lines i took for granted before..

I also have to check how the game looks on the rainy days, due to different ball movement and make adjustemnts there also...

Best regards!

Geschrieben von: TheItalianjob 30.11.2008 - 13:54

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 30.11.2008 - 12:42)

Hello all,

i'm proud to say that my next version is 90% ready for release, i have completed the build-up play and imported all the features you asked me to ( less turning, more straight attack to goal, more precision, goalie will pick up loose balls, kore through passes, less risky passes in front of goal..) , game looks fantastic now, it's only left for me to check for energy reduction, referee stricktness, offside calls, and difference between lower leagues and higher leagues in terms of match quality.

All in all, I can announce release of V2 in friday

Sorry to keep you waiting this long, but it's worth it, i promise I've been really patient with tweaking, imagine the scale from 1-100 where you change value from 7 to 5 and whole gameplay looks different, that's how it is with some lines i took for granted before..

I also have to check how the game looks on the rainy days, due to different ball movement and make adjustemnts there also...

Best regards!

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 30.11.2008 - 14:01

QUOTE (TheItalianjob @ 30.11.2008 - 13:54)

Geschrieben von: TheItalianjob 30.11.2008 - 14:13

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 30.11.2008 - 13:01)

Geschrieben von: rocco200 30.11.2008 - 15:11

hi smbtouch
can you send me link with you new V 2 ?
I would like to test V 2

Geschrieben von: miwright64 30.11.2008 - 16:07

Hi smb,

I bit the bullet and bought the game for the second, £10 cheaper this time. I couldn't carry on with football manager 09 any longer
When you want someone to test and give some constructive feedback to your latest patch, I would be happy to do that for you as I will be playing the game all this week ( unforeseen break from work ). Just pm with a link or email me.
Look forward to release, all the best.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 30.11.2008 - 16:52

QUOTE (miwright64 @ 30.11.2008 - 16:07)

Hi smb,

I bit the bullet and bought the game for the second, £10 cheaper this time. I couldn't carry on with football manager 09 any longer
When you want someone to test and give some constructive feedback to your latest patch, I would be happy to do that for you as I will be playing the game all this week ( unforeseen break from work ). Just pm with a link or email me.
Look forward to release, all the best.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 30.11.2008 - 17:06

I will put up "open public" beta today, so anyone who wants can play and post some feedback..just give me couple of hours more to prepare it, and you will have download links here, for rapid share and speedy share. I didn't want it to sound misterious with first version, everyone have a chance to see my progress So please, be as constructive as possible with feedbacks and let me know what more there is to fix..

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 30.11.2008 - 18:39

*******************************
FIFAM09 3D GPP v2 - BETA
*******************************

Hello all,

here are two download links for beta version for my upcoming v2 gameplay patch, suitable for playing with update1.

Please try it out and give me some points where further improvements should be made.
Also, don't forget to write down which team you played with to get idea how patch handles on each level of playing.

I'll let you discover on your own list of improvements, i'll make one when actual patch will be completed

Download links :

http://www.speedyshare.com/545814140.html

http://rapidshare.com/files/168918691/v2_beta_testing.rar.html

I have added original config file also, if you want to revert to default bf's gameplay.

I wish you great gaming!

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: vivacook 30.11.2008 - 20:31

Will test tonight.

I am testing Latfolia patch as well, but will also try and report difference.

I know I already posted this but...why when its says its raining is it sunny and blue sky?
Do you get this smb?
In 08 it was always cloudy when it rained hard with a soggy pitch.

Geschrieben von: pago 30.11.2008 - 22:38

Hi, I just tried a couple of matches with your patch and thought I'd give some feedback.

First of all: It looks really nice. Goalkeepers are actually part of the game instead of just watching the ball to get into their goals. So that's great.

On the downside there are way to many goals. I played four games (Champions League final, national cup final, league matches) and it was just about crazy. The league matches ended 7:2 and 4:3, CL was a 4:1 and the national cup ended 5:4.
Now my strikers are amazing, true, but not that great.
I think this might be related to the behaviour of the defenders. They weren't as aggressiv as without the patch and often just watched the opposing strikers run towards the goal.
Another thing is that the players start to walk past the ball when it's at a position they're usually not responsible for. So my left winger will just run past the ball when its resting in the center of the field and some central midfielder has to pick it up - no matter where he is and how far away he is. Didn't see that without the patch.

Hope that helps, 'cause in general your patch is awesome.

Played with Bayern Munich, first season.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 30.11.2008 - 23:16

QUOTE (vivacook @ 30.11.2008 - 20:31)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 30.11.2008 - 23:19

QUOTE (pago @ 30.11.2008 - 22:38)

Hi, I just tried a couple of matches with your patch and thought I'd give some feedback.

First of all: It looks really nice. Goalkeepers are actually part of the game instead of just watching the ball to get into their goals. So that's great.

On the downside there are way to many goals. I played four games (Champions League final, national cup final, league matches) and it was just about crazy. The league matches ended 7:2 and 4:3, CL was a 4:1 and the national cup ended 5:4.
Now my strikers are amazing, true, but not that great.
I think this might be related to the behaviour of the defenders. They weren't as aggressiv as without the patch and often just watched the opposing strikers run towards the goal.
Another thing is that the players start to walk past the ball when it's at a position they're usually not responsible for. So my left winger will just run past the ball when its resting in the center of the field and some central midfielder has to pick it up - no matter where he is and how far away he is. Didn't see that without the patch.

Hope that helps, 'cause in general your patch is awesome.

Played with Bayern Munich, first season.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 01.12.2008 - 0:17

So far i have made the following adjustments to beta :

- more speed in marking
- better closing down foe defenders
- better goalie reactions
- slightly wider shots
- more speed effect for swift players

Now it looks better in terms of scoring, goals have nicer variety, and with smae amount of danger and shots on target we have less goals due to slightly better goalies. But i have a small problem - headers always seem to go to target, and that results with lots of header goals, in last game headers were lot weaker, so i'll try to focus on that one also..bu i believe the "score" problem is solved mostly now, i would hate to loose attack play becouse of too many goals

Geschrieben von: pago 01.12.2008 - 9:00

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 01.12.2008 - 9:16

QUOTE (pago @ 01.12.2008 - 9:00)

Geschrieben von: prot651 01.12.2008 - 13:45

Hi i enjoyed your patch but i will let you know a few things i noticed after 6 games

1 Passing or running back to much

2 I had a situation once where the ball landed in between 5 players and they all just stood there and a defender ran all the way to the half line to get possesion of it ?

3 I have had very few headers and the ones that did went straight to keeper

4 Noticed alot of post rebounds coming out then to be scored by striker

Hope this helps

This is a good patch and i like the way the goalie now attacks the ball

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 01.12.2008 - 13:51

QUOTE (prot651 @ 01.12.2008 - 13:45)

Geschrieben von: jet 02.12.2008 - 8:11

Hi,

first of all, great patch, makes the game a lot more realistic.

Some things could/should be tuned:

1. Game speed a liitle bit to high.
2. Offence still to strong (3:1 after 22 minutes).
3. Some strange behaviour after a shot to the post. Players standing near the ball, no one trying to get it - midfielder runs back and clears.

By the way, I downloaded it today at 07:50, took the link from you signature - I hope I got the right one (GPP V2 beta testing)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 02.12.2008 - 8:44

QUOTE (jet @ 02.12.2008 - 8:11)

Geschrieben von: gmallanoforum 02.12.2008 - 10:41

ZITAT(smbtouch @ 27.11.2008 - 12:15)

Nah, i don't want to revert to previous games at this point, we should try to make the best out of this one..i don't want to have the feeling it was waste of money

However, some other elements look better to me, and now as i'm making fresh patch on top of original config i discovered lots of elements in default gameplay that doesn't need much tweaking, for instance it only takes small passing tweak to make clever pass play, i slowed down ball, gave more free play,increase distance in passes and reduced amount of unneccesary short passes one-two without a cause and now passing looks as good as it was in my best patch from 08 version where i had to overdo complete passing-related lines..this means that default gameplay has lots of hidden potential in this segment..eventually i think the game could become lot better then previous games, and hopefully masters of parameter files will also do their job to deploy fixes for wages, development, etc. , same as masters of graphics to make it eye-candy Who could go back afterwards once you tasted it's potential?

When we juice this baby up with all this forum can provide, it should be blast..it's only sad to see how dev's won't learn from community and make default game like this..i still think they don't really test this game enough, while focusing on widgets and points of less importance like private life or interface..

Beside that, i'm sad to see this forum falling apart..i was way better on the old forum
My will to play this game will die more and more with every old and precious member being gone permanently..obviously dev's don't care about people who put their effort to make this game better, with all of them gone or being idle, there will be less and less custom patches and forum will be flooded with kids who don't understand the whole point of manager games..i'm getting strange wibe that those are most targetted auidience for this game, not mature gamers, which is sad..i'm really trying to avoid talk about this, but i think this will be my last fifa manager game also..other games on the market and their communities are way better threated by dev's and people are actually listened to make the game better with each year..this game only has one thing which makes it stand out from others, and that is 3D match option - if they loose this battle on the market also, i don't see the point any more then, you know?

But as i said, with all the right add-on's from community, and with some bugs fixed from dev's, this game will still be better then anything else on the market..this year..

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: TT-RINGY 02.12.2008 - 13:33

I agree with your comments, I've been playing football management games for years now way back
to my trusty old amiga This game is the BEST I've seen I been playing it from 06/07/08 and now 09!

There are some niggley annoying little things but all in all it is indeed a "great game".

The guys here do a fantastic job improving it further I take my hat off to them all thanks guys.

Ringy.

Geschrieben von: vivacook 02.12.2008 - 13:44

Hi SMB,

After my little rant on Latifolia`s post, I decided to read a bit more on what other people were finding with this version.
Your comments about this being the best ever (when modded) made me wonder what I am doing / seeing wrong.

I cannot understand how my eyes are seeing something completely different to what I am reading.
Maybe its my tactics...so I used normal 4-4-2...still rubbish game..no realismn at all.
I have played this since the 2d versions back in 1997 ish so I feel I know about tactics and players etc but something not right.

I see someone posted a game to be watched on Windows Media and wondered if it would be possible for you or Latifolia to do the same?

Something not right with the way I am approaching this, I need to believe before continuing.

Thanks for your help throughout...I know I have been the biggest critic...and probably the biggest pain.
Really lost it last night...apologies Latifolia...you are right ...lets continue but I need to know that what you see is not what I see.

Help!

Geschrieben von: latifolia 02.12.2008 - 13:58

@Vivacook,

No body was wrong here, so nothing to be sorry about. We entitled to have our own view on very subjective thing. Me, SMB and many other must also see what you have seen but maybe we just like to see more on positive things than focusing on what we dont like, thats why we share things here so we can have secondary or third opinions about what we actually see by ourselves.

Without optimism and positive way of seeing we can never know there were gems in dirty muds

Geschrieben von: prot651 02.12.2008 - 14:04

Problem 2 ** I had a situation once where the ball landed in between 5 players and they all just stood there and a defender ran all the way to the half line to get possesion of it ?


Sorry but your reply was not for me but someone else

I had this happen again problem 2 but this time no one moved and i could not play out rest of the game so i had to get it recalculated

Only since i have been using your gameplay patch

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 02.12.2008 - 14:13

QUOTE (prot651 @ 02.12.2008 - 14:04)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 02.12.2008 - 14:24

QUOTE (vivacook @ 02.12.2008 - 13:44)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 02.12.2008 - 15:56

QUOTE (latifolia @ 02.12.2008 - 13:58)

@Vivacook,

No body was wrong here, so nothing to be sorry about. We entitled to have our own view on very subjective thing. Me, SMB and many other must also see what you have seen but maybe we just like to see more on positive things than focusing on what we dont like, thats why we share things here so we can have secondary or third opinions about what we actually see by ourselves.

Without optimism and positive way of seeing we can never know there were gems in dirty muds

Geschrieben von: vivacook 02.12.2008 - 16:54

Ok I submit!

Come on give me another patch to enlighten me..

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 02.12.2008 - 17:05

QUOTE (vivacook @ 02.12.2008 - 16:54)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 03.12.2008 - 0:06

Ok guys, by the current look of it, i think i have completed new patch..along with better closing down and marking, i have added some more nicer crosses, and i believe i have fixed issue with that loose ball after collision, but that one still needs to be checked. I have also lowered down speed difference and overall speed is reduced by little bit. I have to test it some more stictly by playing some games on different levels, and to see if problems are still there. I also added more precision with tackling, so basically defenders need to be either dribbled or strikers will have to run away from them to be left unmarked, it looks very good. Still, if there are problems with high scores, it's yet to be tested, i really want to avoid releasing uncompleted patch, now as i'm very close to what i was building from the start.

I'm still very confident that patch will be released this friday, or weekend latest, so stay tuned, and keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: prot651 03.12.2008 - 7:24

I have also noticed in your gameplay and the offical gameplay is alot of post hits

That is followed by a player scoring on the rebound of a post hit

I have upto 2 or 3 a game sometimes so i dont know if there is a variable to ajust this

I must say though my team scored a brilliant goal from just outside the square which was great to watch

Also has anyone noticed the SAVE HIGHLIGHT BUTTON IS NOW GRAYED OUT while watching the game??

I cant remember if it was with the 1 update or its been since SM touch update ?

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 04.12.2008 - 0:59

QUOTE (prot651 @ 03.12.2008 - 7:24)

Geschrieben von: miwright64 05.12.2008 - 10:03

Hi smb,
I have played a whole season in 3d to give your gameplay a real test, goals scored 148 goals against 172. As mentioned before, the goals per game needs to be reduced, average goals per game was 8.
I would guess that 25% of these were rebounds off keeper or woodwork.
Main niggle with the patch was the ball going loose and nearest players standing still and watching, whilst a player coming from half a pitch away takes control ( very lifel ike for the west ham defence lol ). Also often saw attacking fullbacks running back to own goal from oppositons attacking 3rd of the pitch and kicking ball out of play.
Speed of game was a bit hectic, every game was like a cup tie or local derby, exciting to watch though.
Looking forward to next release smb, well done.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 05.12.2008 - 11:42

QUOTE (miwright64 @ 05.12.2008 - 10:03)

Geschrieben von: vivacook 05.12.2008 - 15:15

Come on stop stalling.......ready and waiting...give me faith for the year! lol.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 05.12.2008 - 15:46

QUOTE (vivacook @ 05.12.2008 - 15:15)

Geschrieben von: TheItalianjob 05.12.2008 - 20:27

Hi smb mate, when the new patch will be avaiable to download.....I'd like to see the game a bit smooth than is now, I hope to see the "real football".....thanks, ciao.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 06.12.2008 - 13:59

Hello all,

i'm sorry that i couldn't wrap up release yesterday due to my busy schedule, patch will be prepared today and and send to Lucanfo for hosting on his website. It's just a matter of hours now until it's ready for download.

Will write down everything related to it once it's up for grabs. At least i'm better then bf, i missed my target release day for patch by only one day, lol..

Best regards!

Geschrieben von: miwright64 06.12.2008 - 14:12

Hi smb,

I will do the same for this release as I did for the last, will play a whole season in 3d and will report back at the end unless there is something that needs to be fixed beforehand.

All the best

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 06.12.2008 - 14:43

QUOTE (miwright64 @ 06.12.2008 - 14:12)

Hi smb,

I will do the same for this release as I did for the last, will play a whole season in 3d and will report back at the end unless there is something that needs to be fixed beforehand.

All the best

Geschrieben von: miwright64 06.12.2008 - 15:02

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 06.12.2008 - 13:43)

You really love this game, don't you? I'm looking forward to your rewiew, there are lots of stuff to do here more, and i would like to wrap it all up with third patch and call it a day..i'm heading in good direction so far with my wishes to make the ultimate one from three attempts, hopefully this second one will turn out be good enough to use it as a base, and then just adjust v3 with small fixes..anyways, thank you for the support!

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 06.12.2008 - 15:46

QUOTE (miwright64 @ 06.12.2008 - 15:02)

I know, need to get a life

Won't be back to work this side of christmas, so have to do something to occupy my time

Sounds like you are really optimistic about v2, I have tried messing about with gameplay but I prefer to do database stuff.

Keep up the good work

Geschrieben von: lucanfo 06.12.2008 - 21:02

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 06.12.2008 - 15:46)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 07.12.2008 - 0:35

****************************************************************
SMBtouch's FIFAM09 3D GPP V2 for "update 1" ON LINE!!
****************************************************************

Hello all,

my second patch, and first one for playing with update1 is avaliable for download.

Here is the list of changes :

- smoother gameplay, fixed speeds in attack vs. defence and sprints
- more direct passes
- more smart passing and prepare of chances
- goalie involment in the game is present
- new ball movement
- new defensive system
- larger variety of chances

I consider this version as a transition one, made on the road to create my ultimate version ( v3 ) which should be relased soon after all the experiences from this one are collected and implemented into it. I just wanted to share my current progress with you, and need you all to point out what is there to be changed to better for next and hopefully my last version.

Patch is hosted on page of gameplays, follow the menu on the left and click on "SMBtouch's FIFAM 3D GPP v2" link :

http://www.fifamanagergameplay.com/english.html

Thanks for trying it out and rewiewing it, i'm waiting for your thoughts!

Enjoy your games!

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: prot651 07.12.2008 - 5:27

Well i must be blind coz i cant see it on there

Last patch on the 4/12/2008 was Latifolia FIFAM09 2.0 "Only For Advanced Manager" ON LINE!


Can only see SMBtouch 1st patch ????

Can someone see it on there ?

Geschrieben von: prot651 07.12.2008 - 5:35

Gee i found it on the Italian Gameplay on left hand side

Click the fifamanager italian version and its there but not on ehglish site


Anyways i will try it today and give you some feedback

Geschrieben von: Tisik 07.12.2008 - 10:29

I see it on that site but why is it ".rar" and not like the other patches? What do I need to be able to open this ".rar" file?

Geschrieben von: TheItalianjob 07.12.2008 - 11:09

QUOTE (Tisik @ 07.12.2008 - 9:29)

Geschrieben von: TheItalianjob 07.12.2008 - 11:15

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 06.12.2008 - 23:35)

Geschrieben von: Tisik 07.12.2008 - 15:55

QUOTE (TheItalianjob @ 07.12.2008 - 11:09)

Geschrieben von: JohnMorrison 07.12.2008 - 16:10

I hate your GPP!

Too many Goals! Defense work sucks! Goalkeeper sucks too!

i play with Atletico Madrid vs. Aalborg in Champ Leage qualification round 3.

Atletico 7:4 Aalborg

Aalborg 4:2 Ateltico

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 07.12.2008 - 16:48

QUOTE (Tisik @ 07.12.2008 - 15:55)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 07.12.2008 - 16:51

QUOTE (JohnMorrison @ 07.12.2008 - 16:10)

I hate your GPP!

Too many Goals! Defense work sucks! Goalkeeper sucks too!

i play with Atletico Madrid vs. Aalborg in Champ Leage qualification round 3.

Atletico 7:4 Aalborg

Aalborg 4:2 Ateltico

Geschrieben von: tseug 07.12.2008 - 17:20

ZITAT(JohnMorrison @ 07.12.2008 - 16:10)

I hate your GPP!

Too many Goals! Defense work sucks! Goalkeeper sucks too!

i play with Atletico Madrid vs. Aalborg in Champ Leage qualification round 3.

Atletico 7:4 Aalborg

Aalborg 4:2 Ateltico

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 07.12.2008 - 17:39

QUOTE (tseug @ 07.12.2008 - 17:20)

Geschrieben von: bensix 07.12.2008 - 17:58

I'm sorry SMB. Last year your patch was great, but this year I don't like it. Is there something hard coded in the game to give the patch builders a hard time? You don't see that many builders this year.

But this year I still prefer no patch.
I've tried all the patches,but this year I like to play it without a patch.


About v2.


- Players are sometimes standing still,just looking at the sky (you knwo what i mean?) reaction time of the players ,they are responding to slow at the ball.

- way to many goals 7-0 ,8-1 and 11-2 are not normal.

- I don't like the headers from defenders,ball is moving up instead of forward.


I don't knwo what the problem is,maybe it's me

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 07.12.2008 - 18:15

QUOTE (bensix @ 07.12.2008 - 17:58)

Geschrieben von: bensix 07.12.2008 - 18:33

I will stick around.

I'm satisfied with original gameplay,but it is far from perfect. So I'm hoping your v3 will be an improvement.

So far I thank you for your efforts,I know you put a lot of time in it instead of playing the game.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 07.12.2008 - 18:48

QUOTE (bensix @ 07.12.2008 - 18:33)

Geschrieben von: Tisik 07.12.2008 - 19:58

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 07.12.2008 - 16:48)

Geschrieben von: TheItalianjob 07.12.2008 - 21:33

Hi SMB, I played few games now, and I can give you my feedback.....GK has no reactions (I dont know if you touched this or not), as well as the strikers in front of the goal they try to pass instead of strking theyself, then when the opponent play long ball and the ball pass my central defender the other two dont even bother to go to close the striker (I play 3-5-2), then no trough ball at all (AM passing 95), long shot too weak......and like I said before, playing too carefully the ball (playing back), can I make a question how do I make my players to do pressing? Thanks, I hope that this help you for next patch.....keep going like that......the patch look very interesting, I'll post few feedback if needed......ciao.

Geschrieben von: vivacook 07.12.2008 - 21:59

Hi SMB,

Wow! Didnt expect that reaction!

I think its nearer than you were last time, weird how this goalkeeper reaction doesnt happen to me.
Players now seem to want to go forward instead of always going backwards just when u know they shouldnt.
I have managed to play a lot more games than previous so it cant be that bad.

One thing that needs to be fixed (and we may need another BF patch because I don`t think they have left any variables in config to sort out) is the through ball into space. Where the player slides the ball past the defender for the winger to attack instead of every ball having to be played to feet.
It was like this before the patch in 08. Maybe they have taken 08 and revamped graphics.

I have to say well done for getting this far...its a lot better than default but I have a feeling,as I did after trying to fix myself, that we cant do this. Really stupid BF!!!

We may need to shout loud ...or they will lose interest and not bother with the 2nd patch.

One more thing....Have you tried to mess with the SMART variables?

I have seen different things happen when u change these, but not sure what they really mean.
Give me an explanation (if u know what they mean) and I will try myself.

08 looks better every day.

Geschrieben von: prot651 08.12.2008 - 14:49

Just a quick note

I played 3 games so far and i think you are on the right track but a few bad points i noticed


Wing attackers or left / right midfielders go forward with ball to almost inline with goal area then get cut off by defender then run all the way back to half way mark or further sometimes then pass the ball. Does not happen all the time but has done it twice in 3 games

Goalkeeper kicks from way outside goalline while holding the ball

my goal line has been 2-1 1-0 2-0 my team is rated 732 and others were 715 685 664 just to give u some idea

Will play some tonight and let you know more but well done !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 08.12.2008 - 15:02

Well, lots of variety in comments lately

@Viva - I have tryed some work with smart pases but those are very rare to see in actual games, so it's lot better to tweak safe/forward pass values to get tio desired..but i think passing play in even too precise in this config..if you want to emphasyse through passes, use option value lines for both safe and forward thorugh passes, to be larger then any other pass type

@Prot - i'll try to fix it, i think wingers should be forced to make a cross from those positions, and i agree with distance from goalie shots, basically strikers can take this ball, turn around defender and make break-away to goal, very annoying and unrealistic.

@All - I'll take it even more slowly this time, as i consider my next version final attempt to make this one work..will release beta when i find it well-tweaked but so far i'm ages away from it..

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: bensix 08.12.2008 - 22:41

ZITAT(prot651 @ 08.12.2008 - 14:49)

Geschrieben von: AussieBrat 09.12.2008 - 11:29

Hi SMB

Just wanted to say thanks for the effort in the patches so far. Dont be too disheartened by some of the negative feed back. Somtimes i wonder if i have bought the same game as you guys. For the first couple of weeks i was looking in the forum in disbelief of what i was reading. People tearing their hair out. I hear that some people expect to just load it up and win every game, if they dont the game is full of bugs ( now before some of you start wanting to rip my head off this is just my opinion. I know there were a lot of BF issues and probably still are) I'm just saying that a lot of people carry on about realism in the game and you wouldn't necessarily win every week no matter what.

I have read over the past couple of days of people complaing about unrealistic scores 11-0 7-0 9-0 and so on but my question to those guys are you really playing the whole game or just doing what pleases you and leaving the rest alone.
I have played a season with create a club and yes i saw a lot of weird scorelines but if you were a create a realife team get a few of your mates together and play fooball on the weekend for the fun of it i'm pretty sure that you wouldn't come out and beat last years runners up 4-0, i expect you would cop a hiding. The game has a lot of factors ( ie. morale, fitness, energy and plyer skills that do make a difference) Some one says kept getting beaten by heaps, they check out their energy and low and behold the team is all below 10, thats because they are probably training on 100% so these things need to be tweaked not the database or gameplay.

I also played a 1/2 year so far with Liverpool and a lot of the stuff i saw in the CAC game i dont see here. sure the player when they dribble in CAC there is a bit space between their foot and the ball, long shots sail over the bar etc but i dont see the same thing when Gerrard dribbles so again not a gamepley problem just the skills of the players..
so far this year i have played 22 games won 14 drawn 5 lost 3
The ones i lost were generally 3 days after champions league game and give fit young players a chance at a 1st grade game. most scorelines read 2-1 2-2 1-0 0-1 3-2 so i dont think these are unrealistic at all. even when i beat the league leaders 5-0(man city) i didn't look at this as a bug more like good management. 1-0 up at half time. went in at half time, threatened some bad players with substitutiion, criticised the defender and praised a midfield who was playing out of his skin. thats all didn't change format or tactics at all. 15 mins into 2nd half nothing changed, ripped of the players i threatened, earlier gave a couple of kids who had been training hard a go and they played brilliantly and came up with 4 goals, again why cant this be real, they had nothing to lose and played hard.

This happens a lot in any code just take the Aussie Rugby Union for instance, couldn't win a game, bring in a kiwi coach for christs sake, is nothing sacred but look at the results. The team didn't just get better o/nite just a different style and direction has got the most out of the players.When they get stale and start losing they'll give him the flick like everyone else. Young players got a chance and now the seasoned guys are scraping for a juersey.


The other thing is to, it is obvious to me that different gameplay patches suit certain tactics and style. Dont just load one play a couple of games and pick it to pieces. traing for it play for year with it then tell em it dont work. You'll be surprised. You cant cahnge formations and tactics each week.

SMB your patch suits my style down to the ground I played a game with your patch against Chelsea in a FA cup Final and was the most exiting game i have watched this year went down fighting 3-2 in the 3rd min of 90+ normal time. scored in the 23 min and thought change tactics(stupid move went defensive) and they basically got one straight back and 10 mins later gave away a penalty and gave them another one , reverted back to orig tactics and clawed my way back into game (sensational goal sissor kick from Kuyt just inside the box from a cross from winger) with 10mins to go. brought some freskghlegs on just in case i went into extra time and got punished ( bad manager...bad bad manager.... but hey i tossed a coin and it didn't work out).
but as i said sensational game, dont think even the fans would have complained about that one.

Played the same game with latfolias patch and got beat 1-0 ( but most of my games with Lats GPP are 1-0 either way or 0-0 draws, he's right this patch is tough. But i like it heaps cause you really have to think your tactics through)
But also played with Universal's patch and got hammered 6-0 so obviuosly that didn't work, but i didn't jump online and tell him his patch is not realistic. if i had spent as much time tweaking my team to suit his patch as i have had yours then maybe the scorline would have been different.

So you can get a feel where i an coming from this is what i have done..

from the start of the game i use the training and camps to get all my fitness up to scratch.
then give the guys a couple of days off to get their energy back
then train on tactics until up to full bars (dont care that they thing the training is boring)
then train on skills for a couple of weeks
then put into groups (def, mid, att) and tweak their training

all the while i have indiv training set to 60% (i dont have any energy problems throughtout the except if the player plays say 3 games in week) and i only train them on the player skills outlined in the back of the manual under player development) I dont waste my time on other skills if they probably aren't as relevant to his position

I have progression set for 3 days and every chance i go into the player talks and talk to as many players as possible, i welcome every new man to the club and set my long temr goals for him then and there. This must work because i actually got a message in the news emails that the players congratulate me on my communication with them. (haven't seen that before)

i hire a 5 star youth coach from the start, send them on a training camp, buddy them up with a 1st side mentor and have them train with 1st team. I have them play the same formation .This all seems to help no end in developing players.

So morale by this time is high, if i get lazy and miss a couple of weeks, morale drops, i start losing games so i throw in a party but have noticed you should only throw a party after a win, after is a lost is a waste cause the players are feeling a bit down. You can also throw in a friendly against some minnow lower div team......a 11-0 trashing does wonders....

I have 2 set tactics one defensive for away games and an attacking one for home. again if you have your players feeling right wonders can happen. a couple of games playing attacking footbal get one goal down go defensive with counter attack and whooska put a couple back and win the game. This is especially gratifing as you often see in the stats before a 3D game it will say Man U has not lost in 30 games when leading 1-0.

I also open training sessions up to the public most of the time but shut them down when a big match coming up and want the players concentrating.

I only buy players with exactly the stacts i want play 3 5 2 mostly ( attacking 2 CM defensive 2 DM)

CD defensive minded so they dont wander up the pitch,( have found that ball winners go forward way to much looking for the ball)
DM ball winners
CM hard man/ ball winners
LM/RM dribblers
AM playmaker
ST one target man one runs channels

i dont buy players just because they hae 90 stats across the board, if they dont have them in the right places they dont come. no point upsetting a good player buying someone in his postion if he aint gonna play. I have seen enough games over the last few years to know if the player wants to go forward cause this is his nature he will go fiorward and if he's a sweeper $h!t is gonna happen.
The other thing i do is not confuse a player it doesn't seem to work if you have a winger who is defensive minded and you push him right forward, make him attacking but put him in a deep defensve line......like hello when your hear peple say my winger runs around like a headless chicken, dribbles the ball from the top left corner back to his own half then kick it out. Confusion..... get a winger who wants to player your style...dont fight it...

and yes..... i have seen the ball hit the post a lot, i do see the keeper with the ball outside the box, i do see dubiuos offside calls and yes i have had the ball freeze in the middle of the park in the 3rd min and have everyone stand around looking like a pork chop until half time. But that just means i only have 45 mins left to grab one out of the bag

I guess what i am saying is that there is a lot of extra little things that do seem to make a bit of difference so try using them before blaming the developers

Guys like SMB Latfolia, and the likes just make a good game better



I LOVE THIS GAME.......and boo to anyone who evens mentions FM or CM....

THe Brat











Why i ask is i have spent a lot of time just playing the game. There is a lot of stuff in the game that i think a lot of people do take the time to see how it works and how it effect the game. I think that if BF put it into the game then somewhere it will make a relevant difference.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 09.12.2008 - 12:38

Aussie...i will not give up on editing until i hit perfection even if it takes me 10 months more after reading this one, thnx for the morale boost

So many FIFAM addicts and lovers here..this game doesn't deserve you guys, you should be treated better by dev's, really..i would give you next game for free if i'm one of them, and it's not a joke

Geschrieben von: vivacook 09.12.2008 - 13:31

Hey...well said Aussiebrat.

My own personal gripe has never been at the patchers. I also patch, but I am struggling to make the game realistic in the gameplay...not the results.
The results look after themselves when the gameplay and tactics are correct.
Watching players run backwards when there are no defenders in the way is ridiculous and was removed from the game in 2005. Now its back.

Tactics are important but they dont make this happen.

For me it is not about `how to win`. If I make a tactical decision then thats my problem but if the player decides not to follow the normal progression of football then that is a fault of the gameplay.
Watch 2007....it was the best...but there were no headers, this has now been added but the progression of gameplay has gone backwards.
Still tactics decided if you win. But if you lost...it was worth watching...not like this version.

I do not get the big scores with any of the patches I use so dont understand this one.

Hopefully...for me and I also belive for SMB, BF will recognize the 3d gameplay (a1) has been spoiled and will react with a further patch.

Keep hoping.

Geschrieben von: prot651 09.12.2008 - 14:27

Well i play

ST ST

AM

LM CM


DM


LB CD CD RB

I MUST AFTER THAT POST I WON 6-2 BUT NEXT GAME I WAS BEATEN 1-0 THEN WON 2-0

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 09.12.2008 - 14:48

QUOTE (prot651 @ 09.12.2008 - 14:27)

Geschrieben von: pago 09.12.2008 - 16:31

I really enjoy what you've done to the GK. The rest of the patch looked really nice as well. Passing was fine, scoring seemed to be ok (only did a couple of tests against low-level teams as it was pre-season when I tested it). However there was a single bug that made it impossible for me to use your patch. The ball would fall somewhere before my defensive midfielders and the game was over, nobody moved. I'll give you a sample:

-----DM---DM-----
LM--------------RM
---------x----------
LM--------------RM
-----DM---DM-----

where x is the ball. All of the players just stood there, watching the sky, maybe moving on the spot (changing directions).
Do you have any idea on how to fix that? Right now I'm playing with a stripped down version of your patch (kept GK, or whatever I think should be the changed GK-settings, camera and the energy reduction) but I'd really like to use the complete patch. The game just looked so much smarter. Maybe you could fix that and release a bugfix version? That wouldn't count as one of your three releases, it's just a patched patch or a patch for the patch.

BTW: Last game I played without your patch (but with mine that only has the much better goalie) ended 8-0 for me so maybe there is only so much you can do about that kind of scores.
I think the games end high has a lot to do with the opponent being a lot stronger for the last couple of minutes. They usually have 5 or 6 players in my part of the field so counters are really effective for me in that part of the game (and obviously they're bound to score eventually).

Anyway, I really hope you can fix this problem.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 09.12.2008 - 17:40

QUOTE (pago @ 09.12.2008 - 16:31)

I really enjoy what you've done to the GK. The rest of the patch looked really nice as well. Passing was fine, scoring seemed to be ok (only did a couple of tests against low-level teams as it was pre-season when I tested it). However there was a single bug that made it impossible for me to use your patch. The ball would fall somewhere before my defensive midfielders and the game was over, nobody moved. I'll give you a sample:

-----DM---DM-----
LM--------------RM
---------x----------
LM--------------RM
-----DM---DM-----

where x is the ball. All of the players just stood there, watching the sky, maybe moving on the spot (changing directions).
Do you have any idea on how to fix that? Right now I'm playing with a stripped down version of your patch (kept GK, or whatever I think should be the changed GK-settings, camera and the energy reduction) but I'd really like to use the complete patch. The game just looked so much smarter. Maybe you could fix that and release a bugfix version? That wouldn't count as one of your three releases, it's just a patched patch or a patch for the patch.

BTW: Last game I played without your patch (but with mine that only has the much better goalie) ended 8-0 for me so maybe there is only so much you can do about that kind of scores.
I think the games end high has a lot to do with the opponent being a lot stronger for the last couple of minutes. They usually have 5 or 6 players in my part of the field so counters are really effective for me in that part of the game (and obviously they're bound to score eventually).

Anyway, I really hope you can fix this problem.

Geschrieben von: bensix 09.12.2008 - 23:30

ZITAT(smbtouch @ 09.12.2008 - 17:40)

Btw, i will make goalies even better, curently they looked great, i have made them charge more agressive and with usage of different shooting lines and goalie speed it looks very realistic..i just have to be carefull about scorelines

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 10.12.2008 - 0:15

QUOTE (bensix @ 09.12.2008 - 23:30)

Geschrieben von: AussieBrat 10.12.2008 - 9:07

Hi viva

yeah i agree that the player running back with the ball is a problem but i just wonder sometimes if it's because of tactics of the other side

i dont see this very often but others say it happens all the time. i dont put my outside midfield on attacking at any time. always normal, it doesn't mean that they dont go forward. i usually try on make my formation fit the gaps on the other team and it works wonders

if the opp have 4 backs i have 3 forwards postioned in the gaps x x x x
0 0 0


if they have 3 backs i have 2 x x x
0 0



if they have 3 mid field i have 4 and so on you get the picture x x x
0 0 0 0


the only time i see players get shut down and run backwards is when i have a 4 on 4 or 3 on 3 senario
when the player gets stopped in his tracks and no passing option he turns around. i understand that this is probably a bug but i'm just saying that sometimes the tactics do work.

Like latfolias patch, i saw a heap of people put it down because they say most games end up 0-0. I love it, that means you just have to work harder for the win, fine tune your tactics, work with your players, having your midfield keep banging in long shots from outside the box and winning 3-0 is not realism in my book.


the other thing that i wonder about is i have never touched the database. i know lat and smb are always putting in codes for people to change / tweak things. Is to much fiddling causing some of the problems. because dead set i might see some of the things people complain about once a season but they say it happens all the time.

I also only change to the patch gameplay when i'm a good few years into the game. this might also be one of the reasons why i dont see most of the problems. My team have had time to adjust to other teammates and my tactic as such and play a much smoother game. I assume if i download the patch, start a new game buy a heap of new players and start a season then they probably will be all over the place. ???????
I dont think you can get a good idea of how the patch works from day one, i still think that there are other factors that most people dont take into account

I feel guilty that i seem to have a game that i can play, while everyone else is seeing red over it.


The Brat

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 10.12.2008 - 9:22

QUOTE (AussieBrat @ 10.12.2008 - 9:07)

Geschrieben von: miwright64 10.12.2008 - 9:48

Hi Smb,

Have played a full season again with v2, still getting a high goals per game ratio, most common scoreline being 4-3.
Could be my tactics as I play a very attacking game, working on the principle of I'll score 1 more than the opposition.
Had to abandon 3 matches due to no players moving when ball goes loose.
The most improved part of this patch is the goalkeeper behaviour, much more aggressive and lifelike.
As I have read, you are aware of the problems with v2 so I won't list them again as they have all been covered by earlier posts.
Just to say keep up the good work and I am sure you can get your patch as good as last years if hard coding will allow.

Have read on a german site that BF have no plans at present for a 2nd update until after the January transfer window and then it may only be a database update.

Just read on here comments from Gerald, they are messing with the 3d again in update 2, you never know they might get it right this time lol

All the best

Geschrieben von: AussieBrat 10.12.2008 - 12:17

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 11.12.2008 - 9:04

Hello all,

i hope you already saw list of possible features for upcoming update2 from bf, with no release date yet :

-------------------------------------

Update 2

Date: 2008-12-10
Author: Gerald Köhler

Hi All,

There is no release date yet, but this is a first feature list for Update 2:

- Live Ticker: Referee pictures are displayed (user generated content)
- Live Ticker: Number of assists is displayed after a goal (league matches)
- Live Ticker: Team Status is displayed
- 3D match improvements (Version 3)
- 3D camera improvements (TV and free camera)
- Notepad added
- Instant Calculation mode now shows the last 5 events
- New training camp features (more camps, improved calculation of the effects, option to add your own training camps)
- Player character icons now displayed on the player info screen
- Improved database
- Several smaller improvements (e.g. youth player scouting, night matches in generic stadiums)
- Various bug fixes

I hope you like the list so far. More details will follow soon.

Cheers,

Gerald

-------------------------------------

Obviously there will be some more hard-coded changes in default gameplay in this update, so that means we'll once again have to remake patches to be operative with it..i didn't expect it to be that soon, so i'll try to wrap up development of v3 patch for update1 on time, and use it as a base for v4 which will be for update2 strictly..i just have to check for shooting angle more, as i saw too many shots on target overall, and if it will look ok i will put up first beta for testing.

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: vivacook 11.12.2008 - 13:07

Let us know mate.

Tried the Drink tea patch last night...it was good for higher through balls over the full backs.
(Most passes in default seem to be on the floor and to feet...this is unrealistic.)
Just a thought.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 11.12.2008 - 13:44

QUOTE (vivacook @ 11.12.2008 - 13:07)

Geschrieben von: prot651 11.12.2008 - 13:45

Whats the notepad for ???

Is this for the Referee ??

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 11.12.2008 - 13:55

QUOTE (prot651 @ 11.12.2008 - 13:45)

Geschrieben von: prot651 12.12.2008 - 2:12

Could be to make a note of all the bugs in this game lolol

Geschrieben von: prot651 12.12.2008 - 6:11

Im playing Latifoilias patch until your Next patch

Its no disrespect but im fustrated with my wingers running back into defense from the goal box just to pass it

I wait in suspense unit your next patch

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 12.12.2008 - 9:26

QUOTE (prot651 @ 12.12.2008 - 6:11)

Geschrieben von: TheFrenchGone 12.12.2008 - 9:56

Hello

I've same experience when I use a "patch" in a new game rather than in an already existing one ! In a new game all data are put back to zero and it seems that the 3D mechanics of a new " patch " works better !

I notice this effect for ex with my "patch" or "beta version " !

Best regards

Geschrieben von: vivacook 12.12.2008 - 10:36

Hi Guys,

I posted this back in 07, this is why different people report so many different views of the patches.
Lots of goals....no I don`t get that......Players not crossing the ball...yes they do...
goalkeeper rubbish...no he`s not...and so on, and so on.

For all the people who played the game from the past, I noticed something last night.

You rememeber the bug where the striker would suddenly appear standing next to your centre half (CD) and follow him round for about 20 seconds............well its back!!! Unbelievable!

Back to 08 for me, there is no realism in this version at all.
The brilliant `new `supporters look pathetic, the sky is blue when its raining and the players cannot play a ball into space only to the feet of other players which stops the flow.

I will try the new patches but I`m sorry I believe the hard coded changes have defeated us.

Geschrieben von: bensix 12.12.2008 - 11:00

ZITAT(smbtouch @ 12.12.2008 - 9:26)

Geschrieben von: vivacook 12.12.2008 - 11:47

Maybe the players are actually real and can think for themselves.

Some of the other posts seem to think they can.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 12.12.2008 - 12:03

QUOTE (bensix @ 12.12.2008 - 11:00)

Could this be possible????
A game that has different performance on every different graphics card or driver??????

That would be a dissapointment

Geschrieben von: bensix 12.12.2008 - 12:20

ZITAT(smbtouch @ 12.12.2008 - 12:03)

, if it's the case of differences i will not be able to continue with patch making, i would only fool people like that by promising something that wouldn't be in their game..hard-codes are killing us

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 12.12.2008 - 13:19

QUOTE (bensix @ 12.12.2008 - 12:20)

I can understand that.

I'm playing 3th season,and I believe the players are different. Hmm it's like they can think by them selves.

Geschrieben von: bensix 12.12.2008 - 13:44

Can't tell you yet,but I had to put a 4 star player on the bench because he acted really stupid. And a 3 star player played like C. Ronaldo.

Is it me or is it really the game

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 14.12.2008 - 17:52

Hello all,

i have reinstalled the whole system, put in clean version of game and installed update1 and so far gameplay looks the same as it was, so i think i just had case of corrupted file before.

Anyway,i have continued to develop patch, and here is my first beta version for trials, please let me know how it handles for you :

V2.5.1 Beta :

http://www.speedyshare.com/164686430.html

Features :

- better defense ( closing,tackling and marking )
- new shooting mechanics
- tweaked goalies
- more cross-plays
- less turnings in attacking positions

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: bensix 14.12.2008 - 20:31

Best patch you have made so far.

I like the build-up play.
Nice crossing.
GK are ok.

Played 3 games 7-0 win
0-3 win
6-5 lost
I will play more games with this patch,maybe I will change half lenght to 4 min

Still I am struggeling with to many goals

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 14.12.2008 - 23:18

QUOTE (bensix @ 14.12.2008 - 20:31)

Geschrieben von: gmallanoforum 15.12.2008 - 10:07

ZITAT(smbtouch @ 14.12.2008 - 23:18)

Thanks, but i think it's worth playing with tactics here, i had three consecutive clean sheets only by playing defensive variations, like 451.

I plan to change goalie charges to even more agressive, and force them to clear crosses into box better. Also, there should be slightly more dribbles. I'll also try to protect defenders in header challenges, they should come out with ball more often..all this should even more tune up defence, but curently i have much more realistic behaviour.

Will keep you all informed about development and beta's..at least to make it update2 ready

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: vivacook 15.12.2008 - 11:36

Hi SMB,

Gave it a try, still to many passes (to the wrong player).
Before my team would try to pass to an unmarked player, now as long as they pass, it goes to anyone.
Short passes to marked players usually end up with the ball being given away.

Still backwards passing from strikers to centre half when in the opposition penalty box.

One thing goalkeeper now standing still instead of picking up ball in area resulting in easy goal.

Other than that...defenders marking tighter and more trying to get ball instead of running away. (Is this done in the positioning file?)

A lot of goals, even playing 4-4-2 normal.

Better patch than the others though. I hope they give us the scope to improve after the update2.
It took this long last year...so I guess its a year again. Maybe they release early to see what people want before really doing it in Jan.

By March last year the forum was quiet. Shows the improvement you reached.

Whats this about the size of the pitch? It says the same in ai as last year but are you saying the actual playing area is smaller?
It looks different to 08 because the players are bigger.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 15.12.2008 - 13:16

QUOTE (gmallanoforum @ 15.12.2008 - 10:07)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 15.12.2008 - 13:20

QUOTE (vivacook @ 15.12.2008 - 11:36)

Geschrieben von: pago 15.12.2008 - 15:09

Sorry, took me a while to try the change. The bug seems to be gone but the whole game looks kinda messy now. It's to fast, to easy to score goals (striker at the box, shot => goal) so score lines were out of place now (less than 7 goals a game seem impossible).

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 15.12.2008 - 16:11

QUOTE (pago @ 15.12.2008 - 15:09)

Geschrieben von: shengta618 15.12.2008 - 16:57

hi m8, i failed to download ur beta version, could you reupload or send me config file to long-black@hotmail.com thanx keep it up~

Geschrieben von: pago 15.12.2008 - 17:27

ZITAT(smbtouch @ 15.12.2008 - 16:11)

Hello,

it pisses me off to hear this, i didn't have problem with scores at all..this game is broken

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 15.12.2008 - 18:14

QUOTE (shengta618 @ 15.12.2008 - 16:57)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 15.12.2008 - 18:17

QUOTE (pago @ 15.12.2008 - 17:27)

Geschrieben von: bensix 15.12.2008 - 18:35

Yeah,it's strange....

I have always big results with your patch and with original config it doesn't happen.
I think your patch is better in many ways. because I see the midfielders crossing and with the original config they always pass backwards and the LB OR RB makes the cross. Build up is much better and my AM scores goals with your patch.In default config my AM seldom comes forward. (same line up and tactics)

I think it's much more hard-coded then we can think.
Maybe the config and the ai is not the only thing to edit.

I wish u good luck for the next patch after update 2.

Kind regards

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 15.12.2008 - 19:07

QUOTE (bensix @ 15.12.2008 - 18:35)

Geschrieben von: TheFrenchGone 16.12.2008 - 8:34

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 15.12.2008 - 19:07)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 16.12.2008 - 10:21

QUOTE (TheFrenchGone @ 16.12.2008 - 8:34)

Hello

Thanks take time to test my "patch" !
For me, this V1.5 is like a "beta" version ...just a working base ! Cause not enough time to play, the development of my final version will set a lot of time , i think ! It's for that I decided to put on-line an intermediate version ! It allows at once to supply an interesting version to those who follow my creations and to collect a maximum of opinions and advices to direct my work !

Best regards

PS:Sorry if I'm not often present on the forum but my teacher's job leaves me few time of free !

Geschrieben von: pago 16.12.2008 - 10:40

ZITAT(smbtouch @ 15.12.2008 - 18:17)

Geschrieben von: vivacook 16.12.2008 - 10:47

The removal of the movement could be causing this.

It seems when u change your tactics anything can happen.

Just played your patch again SMB with no changes and everything ok. Not to my liking (this isnt your fault) but no stupid things happeneing.

What have they done???

Back to 08..shame because I was starting to like the new graphics and players and stands.

Passing is dead. Players pass to whoever is closest...its rubbish....thats why the ball bounces off them...even they dont know its coming lol.

Anyone doing any database / stadiums for 08?

Geschrieben von: zippeddu 16.12.2008 - 16:48

QUOTE (vivacook @ 16.12.2008 - 10:47)

Geschrieben von: vivacook 16.12.2008 - 17:09

Tried something new.

Opened up the width to the fifa width. (You have to get used to the extra width as a visual but its better than opening the length.)

Game flows better. Not perfect but a lot more consistent.

Will try your patch SMB with new settings

Geschrieben von: TheItalianjob 16.12.2008 - 17:23

hi smbtouch, how do I make the the game run smothy (in your patch)....do I need to increase or decrease the speed of the game? Thanks, ciao.

Geschrieben von: vivacook 16.12.2008 - 22:55

Come on SMB change the width of the pitch in ai to 4000 and watch your patch work.

I cant believe it.

I know its hard watching the ball go over the sideline but its worth it.

The patches that yourself, drinktea, lucanfo, and french knome now seem to work.

If you agree we need to pussh BF in the right direction.

You know me...I am not easily pleased!

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 17.12.2008 - 0:02

QUOTE (vivacook @ 16.12.2008 - 22:55)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 18.12.2008 - 19:02

Update 2
Date: 18/12/2008

Update 2 will be ready for download soon. You can continue to play with your old save games. Update 2 includes Update 1.

This is the full feature list:

Live Ticker
- Live Ticker: Referee pictures are displayed (user generated content)
- Live Ticker: Number of assists is displayed after a goal (league matches)
- Live Ticker: Team Status is displayed

3D Match
- 3D match improvements (Version 3)
- 3D camera improvements (TV and free camera)

Database
- Improved database (12.12.08)

Other features
- Notepad added
- Instant Calculation mode now shows the last 5 events
- New training camp features (more camps, improved calculation of the effects, option to add your own training camps)
- Player character icons now displayed on the player info screen
- Several smaller improvements (e.g. youth player scouting, night matches in generic stadiums)

Fixed Bugs
- Various bug fixes


- Will start to work on the patch immediatelly after download

Geschrieben von: low 19.12.2008 - 6:42

Well, default 3D is still pretty horrid in my opinion. I think it's actually worse than before Update 2.

Gameplay is still too quick.
Players reaction times are way too fast.
Keepers get rid of the ball immediately now.
Forwards lobbing the ball back to defenders in the middle of the pitch when they have room in front of them.
The entire back line ends up in the attacking half despite being ordered to stay back and not go forward.
Too many long balls from defenders.
Shot power seems totally unrealistic.

I mean the ball is flying around the pitch, end to end. Not cool. Not real. And still, the best way to defend is to attack. If you put in a defensive lineup with the appropriate tactics, your players will just pass back and forth to each other in your own 1/3, in the middle of the pitch, inevitably giving the ball away right in front of your own goal.

So, in a nutshell, pretty much the same as before. I do not see any improvements at all.

Geschrieben von: zippeddu 19.12.2008 - 7:38

QUOTE (low @ 19.12.2008 - 6:42)

Well, default 3D is still pretty horrid in my opinion. I think it's actually worse than before Update 2.

Gameplay is still too quick.
Players reaction times are way too fast.
Keepers get rid of the ball immediately now.
Forwards lobbing the ball back to defenders in the middle of the pitch when they have room in front of them.
The entire back line ends up in the attacking half despite being ordered to stay back and not go forward.
Too many long balls from defenders.
Shot power seems totally unrealistic.

I mean the ball is flying around the pitch, end to end. Not cool. Not real. And still, the best way to defend is to attack. If you put in a defensive lineup with the appropriate tactics, your players will just pass back and forth to each other in your own 1/3, in the middle of the pitch, inevitably giving the ball away right in front of your own goal.

So, in a nutshell, pretty much the same as before. I do not see any improvements at all.

Geschrieben von: TT-RINGY 21.12.2008 - 0:26

Defenders are still going forward way too much and goalkeeper is still iffy IMHO

Awaiting smbtouch's patch eagerly.......

Ringy.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 21.12.2008 - 1:24

QUOTE (TT-RINGY @ 21.12.2008 - 0:26)

Defenders are still going forward way too much and goalkeeper is still iffy IMHO

Awaiting smbtouch's patch eagerly.......

Ringy.

Geschrieben von: TT-RINGY 21.12.2008 - 12:14

If I can help test in any way please let me know I'm more than willing to help.

I'm sure you will, as always, give us all better 3d game play.

Ringy.

Geschrieben von: bensix 28.12.2008 - 16:22

SMB??? Are you still making a new patch for the second update??

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 28.12.2008 - 17:43

QUOTE (bensix @ 28.12.2008 - 16:22)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 30.12.2008 - 0:25

Hello all,

my first beta version for new patch will be ready for testing in couple od days, i'm in final stage of tweaking and will surely need your help with direction tips..sorry to keep you all waiting this long, i hope you will find it was worth it.

Now i'm fully operative again

Best regards!

Geschrieben von: vivacook 30.12.2008 - 16:31

ready and waiting.

Drink tea version getting there.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 31.12.2008 - 1:29

Hello all,

as promised, here is first and hopefully last testing version for upcoming patch v3. This one is strictly for update2.

When posting a feedbacks and wishes, please don't forget to mention some background about your team, at least which one you played with to know how it handles on different levels.

List of changes due to default gameplay with update2 would be just too huge to write down, i'll post it eventually when patch will be released, but for now i think i mostly would like to know what you feel about energy reduction, scores and goalies, along with general impressions in preparing chances and anything you see strange or weird ( like that dead ball which nobody picks up, etc..).

I will also play some time now with this one to be 100% what more there is to be changed, to finally wrap it up and call it a day I didn't made any changes in non-3D related pieces, such as career.ini parameters, ratings, or confidence meter, i think those are covered very well with default..in general i have tried to leave as much good stuff from default as i could, but see for yourself what's cooking here

Download link :

http://www.speedyshare.com/173140831.html

For what i wrote down so far, i'll try to fix low-crosses, they look way too wild and sharp, and that ugly looking pass forwards when player is turning, i'll try to disable those attempts, it's just poor animation here, it ruins my wiew, those two are my next goals in development


I wish you great gaming moments, and looking forward to hear some thoughts.

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: pago 31.12.2008 - 16:02

Hi, first of all: Thanks. This is definitly the right direction. Game looks very nice, defenders do their work, goalies are good.

I want to point out that I haven't played many games yet (only 2). Please keep that in mind.

What I don't like is the speed. It's to fast and way to many goals (first game was 7-2 for me, could've been 10-2 easily but my strikers missed a couple of times). That's kind-of Business-as-usual, isn't it?
What is new is that I've found the source for the score-line problem. It's the energy reduction. If you keep the original values the speed is slower and at the end of the game it'll even decline a bit further, resulting in a much more realistic game (and you can actually keep the 0 at your side of the score-line). Played one match with original settings, won 5-0 (now, that isn't great, I know... but the game was practically over after the 3-0 and then somehow a corner kick found a head and a counter worked great... it looked extremly realistic).

So I think you should try to set the energy reduction a bit higher. At least for me it works better that way (though I think original setting is too high, but I don't really feel like playing with those settings myself - don't know enough about this stuff).

Some background: I'm still playing with Bayern Munich in Bundesliga. 3rd season this time. Team strength is officially something around 920 (it's higher but some players are learning a new position and have a strength of 83 instead of 92 for example). Teamwork is high (about 80%) and I'm playing a 4-3-3 (with wingers). The teams I played against had a strength of 814 and 821.

So that's just a quick report. Let me know what you think of my "observation". I'll go play some more games to get a better impression of your other changes. Thanks again.

Geschrieben von: TheItalianjob 31.12.2008 - 16:53

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 31.12.2008 - 1:29)

Hello all,

as promised, here is first and hopefully last testing version for upcoming patch v3. This one is strictly for update2.

When posting a feedbacks and wishes, please don't forget to mention some background about your team, at least which one you played with to know how it handles on different levels.

List of changes due to default gameplay with update2 would be just too huge to write down, i'll post it eventually when patch will be released, but for now i think i mostly would like to know what you feel about energy reduction, scores and goalies, along with general impressions in preparing chances and anything you see strange or weird ( like that dead ball which nobody picks up, etc..).

I will also play some time now with this one to be 100% what more there is to be changed, to finally wrap it up and call it a day I didn't made any changes in non-3D related pieces, such as career.ini parameters, ratings, or confidence meter, i think those are covered very well with default..in general i have tried to leave as much good stuff from default as i could, but see for yourself what's cooking here

Download link :

http://www.speedyshare.com/173140831.html

For what i wrote down so far, i'll try to fix low-crosses, they look way too wild and sharp, and that ugly looking pass forwards when player is turning, i'll try to disable those attempts, it's just poor animation here, it ruins my wiew, those two are my next goals in development


I wish you great gaming moments, and looking forward to hear some thoughts.

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 31.12.2008 - 17:12

QUOTE (TheItalianjob @ 31.12.2008 - 16:53)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 31.12.2008 - 17:17

QUOTE (pago @ 31.12.2008 - 16:02)

Hi, first of all: Thanks. This is definitly the right direction. Game looks very nice, defenders do their work, goalies are good.

I want to point out that I haven't played many games yet (only 2). Please keep that in mind.

What I don't like is the speed. It's to fast and way to many goals (first game was 7-2 for me, could've been 10-2 easily but my strikers missed a couple of times). That's kind-of Business-as-usual, isn't it?
What is new is that I've found the source for the score-line problem. It's the energy reduction. If you keep the original values the speed is slower and at the end of the game it'll even decline a bit further, resulting in a much more realistic game (and you can actually keep the 0 at your side of the score-line). Played one match with original settings, won 5-0 (now, that isn't great, I know... but the game was practically over after the 3-0 and then somehow a corner kick found a head and a counter worked great... it looked extremly realistic).

So I think you should try to set the energy reduction a bit higher. At least for me it works better that way (though I think original setting is too high, but I don't really feel like playing with those settings myself - don't know enough about this stuff).

Some background: I'm still playing with Bayern Munich in Bundesliga. 3rd season this time. Team strength is officially something around 920 (it's higher but some players are learning a new position and have a strength of 83 instead of 92 for example). Teamwork is high (about 80%) and I'm playing a 4-3-3 (with wingers). The teams I played against had a strength of 814 and 821.

So that's just a quick report. Let me know what you think of my "observation". I'll go play some more games to get a better impression of your other changes. Thanks again.

Geschrieben von: TheFrenchGone 01.01.2009 - 8:03

Hello

First , I wish you a happy Good Year 2009 !


I tested your version " beta " and here is my remarks:

1. It's for me your best product for FIFAM 09 ! It's nice to see the match with more realistic behaviours !

2.Yours changes for the ball physics and the positioning values are very interesting to have more fluidity ! I'll test with my patch to see the difference !

3. The results are for me realistics! I play with Arsenal with a level of 850 ( i use a patch to decrease the general level) and a classic 442 ( the original one) and my general team tactic is optimal !

4. The negative point for me is the crossing play ! I saw too much crosses and same attack action in the box !

At the end, i think that to have fewer goals the best solution is to enrich the construction of the game with more passes in proportion ! It's the way on which I work! The difficulty is to find the right balance to see an offensive game nevertheless !

For your info, i play on a laptop with 4 Go of RAM and Vista !

Best regards

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 01.01.2009 - 13:04

QUOTE (TheFrenchGone @ 01.01.2009 - 8:03)

Hello

First , I wish you a happy Good Year 2009 !


I tested your version " beta " and here is my remarks:

1. It's for me your best product for FIFAM 09 ! It's nice to see the match with more realistic behaviours !

2.Yours changes for the ball physics and the positioning values are very interesting to have more fluidity ! I'll test with my patch to see the difference !

3. The results are for me realistics! I play with Arsenal with a level of 850 ( i use a patch to decrease the general level) and a classic 442 ( the original one) and my general team tactic is optimal !

4. The negative point for me is the crossing play ! I saw too much crosses and same attack action in the box !

At the end, i think that to have fewer goals the best solution is to enrich the construction of the game with more passes in proportion ! It's the way on which I work! The difficulty is to find the right balance to see an offensive game nevertheless !

For your info, i play on a laptop with 4 Go of RAM and Vista !

Best regards

Geschrieben von: prot651 03.01.2009 - 14:58

My feed back ?

I am in the Blue Square South league in English leagues with a created team i made in the editor.

I have played 4 games and have the score line of 4-0 2-2 2-0 4-1 The 2 all draw was a comeback from 0-2 down at half time so i changed my individual tatics and i managed to draw the game. I did not score at all in the first 20 min of these games but scored most of my goals in the last 30 minutes. There was no main scorer with goals coming from my AM LM ST RM and a goal from a CD .

The gameplay is really good but maybe a little to fast but i got use to it.Passing was good with some good tackles in the mid field and a great goal score from a miss kick into players then lots of tackling then my attacker fell over on to get up and kick it in for a goal. Its not boring at all to watch.

I did notice once or twice that my winger ran backwards half the length of the field to pass but this is not as bad as it was

Overall this is the best patch i have played so far so WELL DONE

Geschrieben von: prot651 03.01.2009 - 15:12

Also forgot to mention these


My teams strength is 565 playing against teams around the same
Most of my players range from 41 to 60 level
I play a 3-5-2 formation

ST ST

AM

LM RM

DM DM


CD CD CD


The outside CD players defensive only with seldom forward runs and pass mostly short and normal tackling
The middle CD is the same but no forward runs
Both DM players are Mostly defenders with sometimes going forward with mixed passing and robust tackling
RM and LM both attack and always go forward with mixed passing and normal tackling and dribbling
AM always goes forward and has a free role and holds up with normal tackling and mixed passing
Both ST are very offensive in attack with mixed passing normal tackling and one has a free role with dribbling

My goalie is the weakest of the lot on level 41 and i have 1 striker on 60

Hope this helps

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 03.01.2009 - 19:19

QUOTE (prot651 @ 03.01.2009 - 14:58)

Geschrieben von: kosecki99 04.01.2009 - 13:29

in your path, If I put long passes to a player, the player does not do long passes.

sorry for my english

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 04.01.2009 - 14:00

QUOTE (kosecki99 @ 04.01.2009 - 13:29)

Geschrieben von: Tisik 04.01.2009 - 14:37

QUOTE (smbtouch @ 03.01.2009 - 19:19)

Geschrieben von: TheItalianjob 07.01.2009 - 15:00

Hi SMBtouch, just had a go....for couple of days I must say that your work as usual is great!!! But I've few things to point at you, there's no GK reaction at all, the ST looks like the run away from the rebound on shots, the build up play is a bit slow, looks like with big teams your players just watch them play (no enough reaction), the speed is a bit fast, and also I've a question, there is any value where you can equal the advantage for home & away team (I dont wont that any of the teams have advantage), thanks in advance, and keep it up good work, I'll look forward for your new realese, ciao.

Geschrieben von: vivacook 08.01.2009 - 10:14

Hi mate,

You any nearer to making this (3d) game work. I am slowly losing patience again.
One small change to any variable seems to change so much.

The gameplay is so inconsistent. Wingers crossing first time but not to the required position.
The low crosses are ridiculous, fast and stupid. Still not crossing when beating fullback (turn round and go back again), this really sends you mad.

Defenders now are really slow and although this allows lots of goals, they are mainly the same goal, side foot past the keeper.

Long shots are a thing of the past if you set up the game for any kind of passing. There is always one more person to pass too.

BF seem to have listened to our complaints but have reversed all the good parts to make the required updates work.

Players now pass the ball but seem to want to walk the ball in (with the dreadful marking of defenders this is what happens) its like watching Arsenal! lol.

The french knome patch gives good forward through passing but again to achieve this, players pass all the time, no shots when they should because there is always someone else to pass to.

If you want any testing...let me know.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 08.01.2009 - 10:32

QUOTE (vivacook @ 08.01.2009 - 10:14)

Geschrieben von: prot651 13.01.2009 - 4:56

How is the patch going ???

I like your latest one alot and enjoy the gameplay

So i was just checking in to see how far you have got

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 13.01.2009 - 8:14

QUOTE (prot651 @ 13.01.2009 - 4:56)

Geschrieben von: vivacook 14.01.2009 - 11:51

Hi SMB,

Any ideas how I slow the game speed down. The passing and movement of the players is still too fast and doesnt allow players to be individuals. All the players do the same thing.

I have also posted French on this but would like your opinion.

`Game speed` doesnt do anything regarding the actual passing and movement speed.

What is :

DIGITAL_SNAPTOANGLE = 46

// 60 is the original default value. Values from 40 to 80 are "reasonable".
GAME_SPEED = 26 (between 24 - 36 best)

// 19 is the original default value. Values from 10 to 25 are "reasonable".
POWERUP_RATE = 16

// Setting this to 1 will mean that powerup does not take into account the intensity of the button press (ie. Dualshock2 buttons will be treated as non-analog)
FLAT_POWERUP = 0

No idea what thease do. Change them but nothing changes.


I have edited the velocity of the ball but after a while it just messes up stuff.

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 21.01.2009 - 15:02

QUOTE (vivacook @ 14.01.2009 - 11:51)

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 21.01.2009 - 15:08

Hello all,

i'm sorry it takes so long to release a patch, but it's really tough to crack it for my preferences..i eventually decided to stop with efforts, and release it as it is currently, now i'll need to test it bit more for goal variety, and will simply swallow the fact that some elements are hard-coded and can't be fixed..i would love to have option to set long passes forward properly, but it just can't be done, players are always using same mechanics for them for instance..same goes for driven shots and drive-crosses which are often wide off mark, i have made them less frequent, and slightly more precise, but it will always depend on some random value i think..i just have to live with it. Anyways, i'm hoping to release v3 for this weekend, if all goes as planned. Otherwise, build-up play really looks nice, this time i made lot of tweaking playing in lower leagues, it should provide same excitement on all levels of playing.

Keep in touch!

Geschrieben von: smbtouch 25.01.2009 - 13:22

**********************************
3D GPP v3 Beta2 - for update2
**********************************


Hello all,

here is second beta for v3, i'm still undecided wheather there is something more that needs to be done here, so i need you to give me some tips what you think of it :

Download link :

http://www.speedyshare.com/766216887.html


You will also find original config file if you want to revert to original gameplay.

I'm looking forward to your comments!

Keep in touch!